Dan wrote: gazza1988 wrote: Dan wrote:
BH_Stag wrote:Dan, the results are rubbish as well as the performances. You are flogging a dead horse. There’s no grounds to be saying he’s a good manager... not at the minute anyway. He’s achieved nothing and we’re underperforming.
I'm just putting stats and facts out there. People are still kissing double failure Flitcrofts arse yet his record wasn't much better in the latter stages & was worse in his first 17 games than what Dempsters are, yet people won't give him a chance to even settle into the job. It's ridiculous.
Double failure? If you really attribute a whole season to his first 12 or so games then he's guided us to our highest position in league 2 for over 10 years and then followed it up with our highest finish since 2002, whilst hamstrung with highly paid players he didn't want.
That doesn't seem like failure to me. Just short sightedness and impatience from some.
He took us from being in a promotion/play off place into 8th position in his first 12 games! That was failure.
Then last season he bottled it once again. He's a serial bottler. And he had THE biggest budget ever given to a Mansfield Town manager.
Don't get it twisted, people assume we were nailed on certs for promotion when Evans was here that is impossible to say either way. The guy managed 12th in the table in his only season finish here, which is unacceptable for his remit of promotion (that's what he was brought here for, remember). He left us in fifth, is top 5 automatics? You seem to think we were nailed on promotion when he left. I thought it was still top 3 go up for certain. I must have missed that news story.
you want to deal in FACTS? Fine. Evans left us with some tough games coming up and with 2 games in hand, 2 games in hand doesn't automatically mean 6 points (just in case you weren't aware). As a result of the little merry go round all 3 sides involved all were chasing promotion and all suffered a loss in form. It wasn't just us that suffered that fate. Also, at Christmas Evan managed to get us to a lofty 9th, his remit was promotion after all, he was failing at this point. Flitcroft was 5th (not quite promotion still but Evans the Messiah left us in the same position and is blameless in how that season end. Speaking of that, that season Flitcroft had no say in personnel, he had to work with what he got, he tried to keep it the same but I think it's safe to say Flitcroft and Evans are very different managers in nearly every way.
Like him or loathe him Dan, Flitcroft is the best manager we have had (league 2 finish wise) since Dearden/Watkiss in 01/02. Our league position each season end will prove that.