New Manager?

[ST4GS]

Jones is a typical example of how some managers do well at one club but crap at another, Stoke should have enough to hold there own in the championship .
Are the prims donnas not playing for him ?

Amazingly Stoke were very good last night, dominated the game for long periods and probably deserved to beat Forest by at least two goals. (check the stats). If you had to pick the team that went top of the league on performance it would not be Forest on the evidence of last night.
Individual errors are costing them big time.
I like Nathan Jones' attitude and tactics. Stoke would be mad to get rid but then again it is a results based business.
If he became available and we were also without a manager it would be a no brainer.

[part time pete]

The pundits on tv last night said that Jones just plays one style, a diamond 4 in middle of park, and doesn’t have the players available that can play that formation effectively.

Square pegs in round holes and once you start losing, confidence drops and individual mistakes start happening which costs you points.

Haven’t we seen this closer to home this season.

[Parkinsons Perm]

Can't believe some fans would take another mardy, moaning, weasly little manager.
There was a thread a few years ago where his Luton team had been bullied into defeat and he was in tears as he moaned, he was slated on here!!!!!

[The One]

The pundits on tv last night said that Jones just plays one style, a diamond 4 in middle of park, and doesn’t have the players available that can play that formation effectively.

Square pegs in round holes and once you start losing, confidence drops and individual mistakes start happening which costs you points.

Haven’t we seen this closer to home this season.

Watched most of the game, Forest hardly got a corner over the first man. Poor for championship players.

[gazza1988]

Some of us are positive some negative about JD. Will someone in the first camp please explain why rather than just say give him time...back him...???

He has no managerial experience with professional footballers.
Including pre season, league and league cup he has won TWO games. ...about a 10% winning rate.
He inherited an almost successful team that needed fine tuning...got two great strikers and Kellan Gordon and we have deteriorated!
His substitutions have generally been disastrous
His tactics clueless
We've hardly played anyone decent yet
In moments of crisis he retreats pitch side behind others
We are 19th in the table

Yes I'm negative about him and have been from the appointment but please someone tell me other than blindly supporting him on what alternative grounds and reasons is he the man for the job????

I'll make an attempt. Because we have no other choice. The board make those choices. Also, all managers start out as rookies, every single one of them. Wasn't it said that Sir Alex Ferguson was days away from the sack, he did alright in the end.

He's tried to keep it the same as last season, as much as possible, even reinstating the backroom staff that left with DF. He's now decided that that was a mistake and rectified it.

We all saw that DF, a manager with experience, struggled with Evans' side, he struggled with Murray's side. Now Demps is struggling with DF's side.

It is an unfortunate state of affairs. Some could say we've been unfortunate with injuries, suspensions and 1 player losing his job completely. Neither of them helped our cause this season.

To be fair Demps is close to getting it right, football is fine margins. Cut out the suspensions, be brave. Subs are there to freshen things up, for me you want to look at giving subs 30 minutes to change a game. So far they get 5 or 10.

Whilst I'm not pleased with the start we've made and the defending would make the dog and duck Sunday league team look good. We have improved.

[NorthLondonStag]

Chris Coleman was discussed. I know he’s not coming but for those interested there’s a great doumemtary on Netflix about the Sunderland season when they went down from the championship (no spoiler alert). Behind the scenes at the club and very interesting. Coleman joins ten games in.

It’s called Sunderland ‘Til I die.

[NorthLondonStag]

Some of us are positive some negative about JD. Will someone in the first camp please explain why rather than just say give him time...back him...???

He has no managerial experience with professional footballers.
Including pre season, league and league cup he has won TWO games. ...about a 10% winning rate.
He inherited an almost successful team that needed fine tuning...got two great strikers and Kellan Gordon and we have deteriorated!
His substitutions have generally been disastrous
His tactics clueless
We've hardly played anyone decent yet
In moments of crisis he retreats pitch side behind others
We are 19th in the table

Yes I'm negative about him and have been from the appointment but please someone tell me other than blindly supporting him on what alternative grounds and reasons is he the man for the job????

I'll make an attempt. Because we have no other choice. The board make those choices. Also, all managers start out as rookies, every single one of them. Wasn't it said that Sir Alex Ferguson was days away from the sack, he did alright in the end.

He's tried to keep it the same as last season, as much as possible, even reinstating the backroom staff that left with DF. He's now decided that that was a mistake and rectified it.

We all saw that DF, a manager with experience, struggled with Evans' side, he struggled with Murray's side. Now Demps is struggling with DF's side.

It is an unfortunate state of affairs. Some could say we've been unfortunate with injuries, suspensions and 1 player losing his job completely. Neither of them helped our cause this season.

To be fair Demps is close to getting it right, football is fine margins. Cut out the suspensions, be brave. Subs are there to freshen things up, for me you want to look at giving subs 30 minutes to change a game. So far they get 5 or 10.

Whilst I'm not pleased with the start we've made and the defending would make the dog and duck Sunday league team look good. We have improved.

I would agree with all of this. Football is a fine line. Gordon doesn’t kick that ball out and it’s a 2 1 away and you’re a hero. He does and it’s 2 2 and you’re a villain. There are so many examples for all clubs of small moments that you can’t always legislate for that change games and results. That’s why I think it’s more important, from game to game, to look at performances and stats. Yes (I know, I know) it’s a results based business. But results overall tend to come from performances. For instances would say the Scunthorpe performance was poor, but the Port Vale (and actually Crawley in some ways) was good. But if you look at the results you would say otherwise.

I really hope we win today and get on a roll. Let’s take 3 points (please!) and take a thousand plus of us to Grimsby and win that game too!

[MTFCMusings]

Jones is a typical example of how some managers do well at one club but crap at another, Stoke should have enough to hold there own in the championship .
Are the prims donnas not playing for him ?

Amazingly Stoke were very good last night, dominated the game for long periods and probably deserved to beat Forest by at least two goals. (check the stats). If you had to pick the team that went top of the league on performance it would not be Forest on the evidence of last night.
Individual errors are costing them big time.
I like Nathan Jones' attitude and tactics. Stoke would be mad to get rid but then again it is a results based business.
If he became available and we were also without a manager it would be a no brainer.

They've done the same in every single game.

I've been to a few games through family connections, also watched a few games, kept a close eye on them. After 5 or 6 games they had conceded the least chances in the league but conceded the most goals, with an England keeper between the sticks. What chance has a manager got with that? They win the xG battle most weeks but the team don't take the chances.

[gazza1988]

Look, at the end of the day, being negative helps nobody and hinders everybody.

You can show support to a team down on its luck with constructive criticism. Football is a confidence game and how some people feel calling all and sundry "poo" (you know which word I mean) is helpful. In fact it is quite hindering to some players, it drains energy from players and they play worse.

Think about it from the player/managers point of view. On a 4,000 home gate, if only a quarter abuse that's 1,000 vs 1. 1/8 is 500 vs 1. 1/16 is 250vs. A few years back I struggled with depression, I underperformed at work a couple of days in a row and got abuse from my colleagues, it was 5 vs 1, I very nearly did something stupid that evening. I was trying the best I could at the time and was failing. I knew I could do better but for those 2 days I couldn't. That's why I never abuse anybody associated with MTFC in that way. I know first hand the effects it can have. Just because they earn mor ethan you doesn't mean they should be happy by default, or never get down about life.

Billy Kee is an excellent example, footballer wise. We have no god given right to win any game of football. We have no right to expect perfection from everybody.

People always say its the same up and down the country, which is true, but that doesn't mean we should be sheep and follow the same pattern.

Please, no more abusing of players or management at the games. By all means vent on here if needs be but abuse at games does nothing except act as the oppositions 12th man. If they are behind their team it becomes their 13th man.

[Sandy Pate Best Stag]

Look, at the end of the day, being negative helps nobody and hinders everybody.

You can show support to a team down on its luck with constructive criticism. Football is a confidence game and how some people feel calling all and sundry "poo" (you know which word I mean) is helpful. In fact it is quite hindering to some players, it drains energy from players and they play worse.

Think about it from the player/managers point of view. On a 4,000 home gate, if only a quarter abuse that's 1,000 vs 1. 1/8 is 500 vs 1. 1/16 is 250vs. A few years back I struggled with depression, I underperformed at work a couple of days in a row and got abuse from my colleagues, it was 5 vs 1, I very nearly did something stupid that evening. I was trying the best I could at the time and was failing. I knew I could do better but for those 2 days I couldn't. That's why I never abuse anybody associated with MTFC in that way. I know first hand the effects it can have. Just because they earn mor ethan you doesn't mean they should be happy by default, or never get down about life.

Billy Kee is an excellent example, footballer wise. We have no god given right to win any game of football. We have no right to expect perfection from everybody.

People always say its the same up and down the country, which is true, but that doesn't mean we should be sheep and follow the same pattern.

Please, no more abusing of players or management at the games. By all means vent on here if needs be but abuse at games does nothing except act as the oppositions 12th man. If they are behind their team it becomes their 13th man.

Gazza, although I find some of your posts wide of the mark, I think you are spot on with this one. Disappointment should not turn to abuse while there is still time to rectify results and the game is still live.

[Richard Cranium]

Get Derek Adams in

[Sneag]

It'll be Sol Campbell & Stagsnet will implode.

[Sedgwick]

sam allardyce... get him in.

Realistically though of who I can think doesn't have a job at present....

Gary Rowett? I hate him because of how arrogant and boring he is, but hes started to change his tune on sky. Good manager should of stayed put at derby.

Nigel Pearson? would probably have a fight on the training ground
Steve Cotterill?
Chris Powell?
Phil Parkinson?
Derek Adams?
Phil Brown?

Lower league options:

Dave Challinor
Pete Wild
Tim Flowers

Just can't see Demps turning it around at any point... what's he suddenly going to do now?

[EdwinstoweStag]

sam allardyce... get him in.

Realistically though of who I can think doesn't have a job at present....

Gary Rowett? I hate him because of how arrogant and boring he is, but hes started to change his tune on sky. Good manager should of stayed put at derby.

Nigel Pearson? would probably have a fight on the training ground
Steve Cotterill?
Chris Powell?
Phil Parkinson?
Derek Adams?
Phil Brown?

Lower league options:

Dave Challinor
Pete Wild
Tim Flowers

Just can't see Demps turning it around at any point... what's he suddenly going to do now?

Perhaps Steve Hymas might fancy it?

[AlanStag]

sam allardyce... get him in.

Realistically though of who I can think doesn't have a job at present....

Gary Rowett? I hate him because of how arrogant and boring he is, but hes started to change his tune on sky. Good manager should of stayed put at derby.

Nigel Pearson? would probably have a fight on the training ground
Steve Cotterill?
Chris Powell?
Phil Parkinson?
Derek Adams?
Phil Brown?

Lower league options:

Dave Challinor
Pete Wild
Tim Flowers

Just can't see Demps turning it around at any point... what's he suddenly going to do now?

A lot of those names don't fill me with confidence tbh, we'd be walking down the trodden path with some. Those like Parkinson and Cotterill I doubt would even give us a second thought.

If we do sack Dempster I wouldn't mind us going down the up and coming non-league route. Those with league 2 experience tend to stay around managing at this level for a reason.

[chip63]

Let the fans be the manager.
Votes by phone for team and in play subs if 60% vote a player should be taken off.
I wonder how many would of voted for CJ to be replaced with Maynard with 25 mins left?

[Chrisuknottm]

Let the fans be the manager.
Votes by phone for team and in play subs if 60% vote a player should be taken off.
I wonder how many would of voted for CJ to be replaced with Maynard with 25 mins left?

Spot on Chip....couldn't believe he left CJ on as long as he did and then substituted him with Dapo not Maynard. What did JD honestly think the lad from West Ham would bring instead of Nicky? His substitutions have been consistently awful both in personnel and timing starting with Smith for Khan in the Orient game.

[Sneag]

Steve Bruce will be available soon.

[Sedgwick]

WE need to snap up the best option that's available now before theyre elsewhere..... we cant even poach another clubs manager because they're all above us.

go and get literally anyone else... Stuart McCall could be added to the above list.

Something drastic has to change soon, either Dempster pulls off a miracle or we get a proper manager.

Can see this season being one of just about guaranteeing safety with 10 games to go and thinking what has gone terribly wrong if we stick with JD. Would he then know what to do or be trusted with another transfer window?

[arsene wengers coat]

WE need to snap up the best option that's available now before theyre elsewhere..... we cant even poach another clubs manager because they're all above us.

go and get literally anyone else... Stuart McCall could be added to the above list.

Something drastic has to change soon, either Dempster pulls off a miracle or we get a proper manager.

Can see this season being one of just about guaranteeing safety with 10 games to go and thinking what has gone terribly wrong if we stick with JD. Would he then know what to do or be trusted with another transfer window?

Absolutely. He can't be trusted to spend anymore money or be anywhere near the first team.

Does anyone know who we interviewed last time we held interviews for the managers job, think it was when Murray got the job.

[Sedgwick]

WE need to snap up the best option that's available now before theyre elsewhere..... we cant even poach another clubs manager because they're all above us.

go and get literally anyone else... Stuart McCall could be added to the above list.

Something drastic has to change soon, either Dempster pulls off a miracle or we get a proper manager.

Can see this season being one of just about guaranteeing safety with 10 games to go and thinking what has gone terribly wrong if we stick with JD. Would he then know what to do or be trusted with another transfer window?

Absolutely. He can't be trusted to spend anymore money or be anywhere near the first team.

Does anyone know who we interviewed last time we held interviews for the managers job, think it was when Murray got the job.

Don't know who we interviewed... but like Flitcroft thought, were a dream club to manage at this level now.

[bobbystagsfan]

WE need to snap up the best option that's available now before theyre elsewhere..... we cant even poach another clubs manager because they're all above us.

go and get literally anyone else... Stuart McCall could be added to the above list.

Something drastic has to change soon, either Dempster pulls off a miracle or we get a proper manager.

Can see this season being one of just about guaranteeing safety with 10 games to go and thinking what has gone terribly wrong if we stick with JD. Would he then know what to do or be trusted with another transfer window?

Stuart McCall? Now I've heard it all

[EdwinstoweStag]

WE need to snap up the best option that's available now before theyre elsewhere..... we cant even poach another clubs manager because they're all above us.

go and get literally anyone else... Stuart McCall could be added to the above list.

Something drastic has to change soon, either Dempster pulls off a miracle or we get a proper manager.

Can see this season being one of just about guaranteeing safety with 10 games to go and thinking what has gone terribly wrong if we stick with JD. Would he then know what to do or be trusted with another transfer window?

Stuart McCall? Now I've heard it all

....and don’t forget Steve Parkin

[bobbystagsfan]

WE need to snap up the best option that's available now before theyre elsewhere..... we cant even poach another clubs manager because they're all above us.

go and get literally anyone else... Stuart McCall could be added to the above list.

Something drastic has to change soon, either Dempster pulls off a miracle or we get a proper manager.

Can see this season being one of just about guaranteeing safety with 10 games to go and thinking what has gone terribly wrong if we stick with JD. Would he then know what to do or be trusted with another transfer window?

Stuart McCall? Now I've heard it all

....and don’t forget Steve Parkin

Stuart McCall got Bradford to a league one play off final, but wasn't that off the back of Parkinson's good work? Other than that he's achieved nowt. Not sure what Steve parkin has achieved but there's a love in on here with some

[SINA STAG]