CJ Hamilton

[Rob]

By simple I mean there seems to be a thousand different formations, including triangles, diamonds, rectangles etc, when in reality there isn’t more than a handful. It’s definitely over complicated imo. You only have to see how complicated Sky or BBC make it seem, drawing circles and lines and yet it’s simpler than even that. Keeps em in a job I suppose!!! Yes times change and soon even today’s popular formations will be out thought and replaced, but it can’t change much.

Couldn’t agree more, listening to modern commentators reeling a list of numbers (which often don’t even add up!) in an attempt to over complicate one of the worlds most straight forward games is laughable.

I've been having the same argument with Martin for years

[MTFCMusings]

It's not a simple game. Good managers and good players may make it look simple, but it's not.

[tuopolfpilf]

Never seen a manager succeed putting square pegs in round holes ,
A manager should look at what is available to him and decide the best formation it fits , not Visa versa and fit players into a formation.
What is the best formation for the squad available to JD ?
CJ's best position?
We may all have different opinions, but I think most fans would have CJ in the starting line up

[PEAR CIDER]

Never seen a manager succeed putting square pegs in round holes ,
A manager should look at what is available to him and decide the best formation it fits , not Visa versa and fit players into a formation.
What is the best formation for the squad available to JD ?
CJ's best position?
We may all have different opinions, but I think most fans would have CJ in the starting line up

And rooted to the left-wing, naturally covering for Mal when he pushes on.

[Big yella]

[quote="FarnieStag"]Why do managers try to make such a simple game so complicated? Just play 4 at the back with two wingers, with left footed CJ on the left wing
This 3 at the back (which we all know is really 5 or 6) is just so misguided when using div 4 players[/quote]


It ain’t just division 4 mate. All the trendy hip young coaches try to tell you that 3 at the back is the only way to go these days. It’s bull.

Man City - Champions, FA Cup and League Cup winners
Liverpool - European Champions
Portugal- Euro 16 Champions
France - World Champions

Common factor, all have a back four.

[Tippy Tappy Football]

We may all have different opinions, but I think most fans would have CJ in the starting line up

100% agree with that but I'm not sure "most fans" agree having seen some of the suggested team line ups with CJ on the bench.

I thought CJ had a good game at Crawley (apart from the bad back pass). He was a much better defender than Kellan Gordon against the highly rated David Sesay who could not get past him due to CJ's pace. CJ also got forward and had a good shot on goal. When CJ moved further forward after Mal Benning came on then Sesay got subbed.

[halifaxstag]

Why do managers try to make such a simple game so complicated? Just play 4 at the back with two wingers, with left footed CJ on the left wing
This 3 at the back (which we all know is really 5 or 6) is just so misguided when using div 4 players[/quote]


It ain’t just division 4 mate. All the trendy hip young coaches try to tell you that 3 at the back is the only way to go these days. It’s bull.

Man City - Champions, FA Cup and League Cup winners
Liverpool - European Champions
Portugal- Euro 16 Champions
France - World Champions

Common factor, all have a back four.

All of them rely on having a top class defensive midfielder to allow the full backs to push forwards. It could be argued that Man City never play four at the back!

[Big yella]

Why do managers try to make such a simple game so complicated? Just play 4 at the back with two wingers, with left footed CJ on the left wing
This 3 at the back (which we all know is really 5 or 6) is just so misguided when using div 4 players[/quote]


It ain’t just division 4 mate. All the trendy hip young coaches try to tell you that 3 at the back is the only way to go these days. It’s bull.

Man City - Champions, FA Cup and League Cup winners
Liverpool - European Champions
Portugal- Euro 16 Champions
France - World Champions

Common factor, all have a back four.

All of them rely on having a top class defensive midfielder to allow the full backs to push forwards. It could be argued that Man City never play four at the back!

I agree they have a top class defensive midfielder, however like all positions, that quality becomes relative as you move down the pyramid.

[The One]

I drink Fridays in local with the dad of prem and England player. Was with them both Sunday watching Arsenal game, The player said you are only as good with decent players around you .

[James]

I drink Fridays in local with the dad of prem and England player. Was with them both Sunday watching Arsenal game, The player said you are only as good with decent players around you .

Clang.

[I am Spartacus]

I drink Fridays in local with the dad of prem and England player. Was with them both Sunday watching Arsenal game, The player said you are only as good with decent players around you .

Clang.

Is that the lads way of saying ‘when I have a bad game it isn’t my fault.?

[Sedgwick]

Why do managers try to make such a simple game so complicated? Just play 4 at the back with two wingers, with left footed CJ on the left wing
This 3 at the back (which we all know is really 5 or 6) is just so misguided when using div 4 players[/quote]


It ain’t just division 4 mate. All the trendy hip young coaches try to tell you that 3 at the back is the only way to go these days. It’s bull.

Man City - Champions, FA Cup and League Cup winners
Liverpool - European Champions
Portugal- Euro 16 Champions
France - World Champions

Common factor, all have a back four.

City often play with two wingbacks.
Liverpool often change to three at the back when Trent & Robertson go bombing forward

Tifo football did a great video about how they start in one formation and it changes many times through out the 90...

What would be best is to look at our squad and look who the best players are...arguably CJ, Maynard, Khan? Build a side around them, exactly what France did with mbappe, pogba, Griezmann.

---------Maynard/cook

--CJ---------Khan-------Gordon

------Bishop----o'shaughnessy

Mal----Pearce---- Preston--- White

--------------Bobby

This would rely on Khan getting forward more, creating and scoring goals.
Mal and white to get forward, o'shaughnessy to know when to drop back
Cj to drift in when Mal bombs forward etc

I think this would be a team hard to beat and should create going forward.

[bellwhiff]

Do we really have to keep discussing the same bleeding topic week in week out? One week CJ will have a good game and will be the best ever thing to come from Mansfield, then he'll have a poor game and he's back in the firing line.

But if the subject is Logan.....

Yawn

[NorthLondonStag]

Do we really have to keep discussing the same bleeding topic week in week out? One week CJ will have a good game and will be the best ever thing to come from Mansfield, then he'll have a poor game and he's back in the firing line.

But if the subject is Logan.....

Yawn

I thought you were on holiday for a few weeks?

[bellwhiff]

Do we really have to keep discussing the same bleeding topic week in week out? One week CJ will have a good game and will be the best ever thing to come from Mansfield, then he'll have a poor game and he's back in the firing line.

But if the subject is Logan.....

Yawn

I thought you were on holiday for a few weeks?

I got back this morning.

[Sandy Pate Best Stag]

Do we really have to keep discussing the same bleeding topic week in week out? One week CJ will have a good game and will be the best ever thing to come from Mansfield, then he'll have a poor game and he's back in the firing line.

But if the subject is Logan.....

Yawn

I thought you were on holiday for a few weeks?

I got back this morning.

y

Hope you are feeling refreshed and relaxed.

[gazza1988]

Why do managers try to make such a simple game so complicated? Just play 4 at the back with two wingers, with left footed CJ on the left wing
This 3 at the back (which we all know is really 5 or 6) is just so misguided when using div 4 players[/quote]


It ain’t just division 4 mate. All the trendy hip young coaches try to tell you that 3 at the back is the only way to go these days. It’s bull.

Man City - Champions, FA Cup and League Cup winners
Liverpool - European Champions
Portugal- Euro 16 Champions
France - World Champions

Common factor, all have a back four.

City often play with two wingbacks.
Liverpool often change to three at the back when Trent & Robertson go bombing forward

Tifo football did a great video about how they start in one formation and it changes many times through out the 90...

What would be best is to look at our squad and look who the best players are...arguably CJ, Maynard, Khan? Build a side around them, exactly what France did with mbappe, pogba, Griezmann.

---------Maynard/cook

--CJ---------Khan-------Gordon

------Bishop----o'shaughnessy

Mal----Pearce---- Preston--- White

--------------Bobby

This would rely on Khan getting forward more, creating and scoring goals.
Mal and white to get forward, o'shaughnessy to know when to drop back
Cj to drift in when Mal bombs forward etc

I think this would be a team hard to beat and should create going forward.

Thing is you can't leave out Rose at the minute. He's in good form (granted he wasn't at his best on Saturday) he's surprised everyone. Let's face it he's score 6 league goals in 8 league appearances. If someone had said that he'd bang 5 in in his first 4 games you'd have been laughed at. Some would have just laughed at the thought and some would say "I see Danny as having a role here, but get real" he's been phenomenal.

Also as they are bombing forwards and getting crosses in. It'll be maynard/cook competing for it. Maybe Khan too if he gets up there. There's a spare defender or 2. I just feel that 4-5-1 would see us drop too easily into defensive mode and isolate whoever is up front. We've seen it time and again. Alot of formations work in theory it just depends what the opposition do to counter what you are doing.

[spanishstag]

Why do managers try to make such a simple game so complicated? Just play 4 at the back with two wingers, with left footed CJ on the left wing
This 3 at the back (which we all know is really 5 or 6) is just so misguided when using div 4 players[/quote]


It ain’t just division 4 mate. All the trendy hip young coaches try to tell you that 3 at the back is the only way to go these days. It’s bull.

Man City - Champions, FA Cup and League Cup winners
Liverpool - European Champions
Portugal- Euro 16 Champions
France - World Champions

Common factor, all have a back four.

City often play with two wingbacks.
Liverpool often change to three at the back when Trent & Robertson go bombing forward

Tifo football did a great video about how they start in one formation and it changes many times through out the 90...

What would be best is to look at our squad and look who the best players are...arguably CJ, Maynard, Khan? Build a side around them, exactly what France did with mbappe, pogba, Griezmann.

---------Maynard/cook

--CJ---------Khan-------Gordon

------Bishop----o'shaughnessy

Mal----Pearce---- Preston--- White

--------------Bobby

This would rely on Khan getting forward more, creating and scoring goals.
Mal and white to get forward, o'shaughnessy to know when to drop back
Cj to drift in when Mal bombs forward etc

I think this would be a team hard to beat and should create going forward.

Definetely agree with this side ,let other teams worry about us

[bobbystagsfan]

Do we really have to keep discussing the same bleeding topic week in week out? One week CJ will have a good game and will be the best ever thing to come from Mansfield, then he'll have a poor game and he's back in the firing line.

But if the subject is Logan.....

Yawn

I never really comment on Logan anymore, because I know he's a goalkeeper at this level who will have good games and bad games. Like most players in league two. I certainly don't slag him off when we lose though.

[tillydog123]

Khan seems to be fading into the background or faded out again after a very hopeful and good pre season when he looked fit and up for the challenge.

[bellwhiff]

Do we really have to keep discussing the same bleeding topic week in week out? One week CJ will have a good game and will be the best ever thing to come from Mansfield, then he'll have a poor game and he's back in the firing line.

But if the subject is Logan.....

Yawn

I thought you were on holiday for a few weeks?

I got back this morning.

y

Hope you are feeling refreshed and relaxed.

Thanks. I am. Smashed out over 5600 miles on a round robin from Chicago to LA then San Francisco and then back to Chicago via Denver and Kansas.

Not looking forward to work tomorrow

[Jamie]

Not looking forward to work tomorrow

Bet your colleagues aren't either

[Big yella]

Why do managers try to make such a simple game so complicated? Just play 4 at the back with two wingers, with left footed CJ on the left wing
This 3 at the back (which we all know is really 5 or 6) is just so misguided when using div 4 players[/quote]


It ain’t just division 4 mate. All the trendy hip young coaches try to tell you that 3 at the back is the only way to go these days. It’s bull.

Man City - Champions, FA Cup and League Cup winners
Liverpool - European Champions
Portugal- Euro 16 Champions
France - World Champions

Common factor, all have a back four.

City often play with two wingbacks.
Liverpool often change to three at the back when Trent & Robertson go bombing forward

Tifo football did a great video about how they start in one formation and it changes many times through out the 90....

No. No. No.

All you are saying is that they play four at the back and when the full backs go forward the defensive midfielder does his job and covers them. They can try and tart it up to make it look like they’re a revolutionary of tactics, but that is all that is happening. Just like Bremner did in the 60’s and 70’s at Leeds, there’s nothing new about it.

[The One]

Why do managers try to make such a simple game so complicated? Just play 4 at the back with two wingers, with left footed CJ on the left wing
This 3 at the back (which we all know is really 5 or 6) is just so misguided when using div 4 players[/quote]


It ain’t just division 4 mate. All the trendy hip young coaches try to tell you that 3 at the back is the only way to go these days. It’s bull.

Man City - Champions, FA Cup and League Cup winners
Liverpool - European Champions
Portugal- Euro 16 Champions
France - World Champions

Common factor, all have a back four.

City often play with two wingbacks.
Liverpool often change to three at the back when Trent & Robertson go bombing forward

Tifo football did a great video about how they start in one formation and it changes many times through out the 90....

No. No. No.

All you are saying is that they play four at the back and when the full backs go forward the defensive midfielder does his job and covers them. They can try and tart it up to make it look like they’re a revolutionary of tactics, but that is all that is happening. Just like Bremner did in the 60’s and 70’s at Leeds, there’s nothing new about it.

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