arsene wengers coat wrote:It's a results driven industry NLS. Dempster has been shopping at Harrods this summer while most his contemporaries have been shopping in Debenhams.
He has all the resources, he picked the team and told them how to play. Buck stops with him. He has to go.
gazza1988 wrote:The main idea behind leagues is you are facing teams of similar ability. We were expected to gain promotion. Teams like morcembe etc are expected to struggle. Those that are expected to struggle can raise their game against the "big guns" of the league and they tend to raise their game, sometimes its still not enough but sometimes it is.
There's an old adage in football "there are no easy games" which you can find examples of supposed "easy" games where the side that was expected to win drew or lost.
Look at yesterday. The result most of the footballing world are talking about. Norwich beat man City, their first loss since January. There are no easy games. We need to get out of the "Luton mindset" that we should smash everybody we face "because we are better"
bobbystagsfan wrote:gazza1988 wrote:The main idea behind leagues is you are facing teams of similar ability. We were expected to gain promotion. Teams like morcembe etc are expected to struggle. Those that are expected to struggle can raise their game against the "big guns" of the league and they tend to raise their game, sometimes its still not enough but sometimes it is.
There's an old adage in football "there are no easy games" which you can find examples of supposed "easy" games where the side that was expected to win drew or lost.
Look at yesterday. The result most of the footballing world are talking about. Norwich beat man City, their first loss since January. There are no easy games. We need to get out of the "Luton mindset" that we should smash everybody we face "because we are better"
Spot on with the Luton mindset comment. We all hated their fans for their 'too big for this league' attitude and we've got it on here now. I know the owners keep saying 'project promotion' but a project is over a long period of time.
We will get it right eventually but we can't expect to show up every game, play dazzling football whilst keeping clean sheets and smashing every team because that just won't happen and it's not realistic for league two.
bobbystagsfan wrote:gazza1988 wrote:The main idea behind leagues is you are facing teams of similar ability. We were expected to gain promotion. Teams like morcembe etc are expected to struggle. Those that are expected to struggle can raise their game against the "big guns" of the league and they tend to raise their game, sometimes its still not enough but sometimes it is.
There's an old adage in football "there are no easy games" which you can find examples of supposed "easy" games where the side that was expected to win drew or lost.
Look at yesterday. The result most of the footballing world are talking about. Norwich beat man City, their first loss since January. There are no easy games. We need to get out of the "Luton mindset" that we should smash everybody we face "because we are better"
Spot on with the Luton mindset comment. We all hated their fans for their 'too big for this league' attitude and we've got it on here now. I know the owners keep saying 'project promotion' but a project is over a long period of time.
We will get it right eventually but we can't expect to show up every game, play dazzling football whilst keeping clean sheets and smashing every team because that just won't happen and it's not realistic for league two.
Woodclanger 1 wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:gazza1988 wrote:The main idea behind leagues is you are facing teams of similar ability. We were expected to gain promotion. Teams like morcembe etc are expected to struggle. Those that are expected to struggle can raise their game against the "big guns" of the league and they tend to raise their game, sometimes its still not enough but sometimes it is.
There's an old adage in football "there are no easy games" which you can find examples of supposed "easy" games where the side that was expected to win drew or lost.
Look at yesterday. The result most of the footballing world are talking about. Norwich beat man City, their first loss since January. There are no easy games. We need to get out of the "Luton mindset" that we should smash everybody we face "because we are better"
Spot on with the Luton mindset comment. We all hated their fans for their 'too big for this league' attitude and we've got it on here now. I know the owners keep saying 'project promotion' but a project is over a long period of time.
We will get it right eventually but we can't expect to show up every game, play dazzling football whilst keeping clean sheets and smashing every team because that just won't happen and it's not realistic for league two.
But we can expect to turn up and see some football, not the negative dog raspberry at present
arsene wengers coat wrote:Woodclanger 1 wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:gazza1988 wrote:The main idea behind leagues is you are facing teams of similar ability. We were expected to gain promotion. Teams like morcembe etc are expected to struggle. Those that are expected to struggle can raise their game against the "big guns" of the league and they tend to raise their game, sometimes its still not enough but sometimes it is.
There's an old adage in football "there are no easy games" which you can find examples of supposed "easy" games where the side that was expected to win drew or lost.
Look at yesterday. The result most of the footballing world are talking about. Norwich beat man City, their first loss since January. There are no easy games. We need to get out of the "Luton mindset" that we should smash everybody we face "because we are better"
Spot on with the Luton mindset comment. We all hated their fans for their 'too big for this league' attitude and we've got it on here now. I know the owners keep saying 'project promotion' but a project is over a long period of time.
We will get it right eventually but we can't expect to show up every game, play dazzling football whilst keeping clean sheets and smashing every team because that just won't happen and it's not realistic for league two.
But we can expect to turn up and see some football, not the negative dog raspberry at present
But Luton fans were right. They were division 1, then they were non league after a points deduction, now they are in the championship (division 1). They were below their historical station.
We are at our historical station, but I dont know what's more depressing, being a bog standard L2 side under Dempster or some fans willingness to readily accept bog standard.
Personally I want to see us being a team that is in and around the League 1 playoffs come every April. That is where we should aim to be.
BH_Stag wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:Woodclanger 1 wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:gazza1988 wrote:The main idea behind leagues is you are facing teams of similar ability. We were expected to gain promotion. Teams like morcembe etc are expected to struggle. Those that are expected to struggle can raise their game against the "big guns" of the league and they tend to raise their game, sometimes its still not enough but sometimes it is.
There's an old adage in football "there are no easy games" which you can find examples of supposed "easy" games where the side that was expected to win drew or lost.
Look at yesterday. The result most of the footballing world are talking about. Norwich beat man City, their first loss since January. There are no easy games. We need to get out of the "Luton mindset" that we should smash everybody we face "because we are better"
Spot on with the Luton mindset comment. We all hated their fans for their 'too big for this league' attitude and we've got it on here now. I know the owners keep saying 'project promotion' but a project is over a long period of time.
We will get it right eventually but we can't expect to show up every game, play dazzling football whilst keeping clean sheets and smashing every team because that just won't happen and it's not realistic for league two.
But we can expect to turn up and see some football, not the negative dog raspberry at present
But Luton fans were right. They were division 1, then they were non league after a points deduction, now they are in the championship (division 1). They were below their historical station.
We are at our historical station, but I dont know what's more depressing, being a bog standard L2 side under Dempster or some fans willingness to readily accept bog standard.
Personally I want to see us being a team that is in and around the League 1 playoffs come every April. That is where we should aim to be.
Agree with this. It appears to me there are a lot of fans that are just very comfortable with where we are at, and don’t have any real desire to see us progress because ‘this has always been our level’ - it’s the easy option just to think that and just gloss over it, but surely the whole point is to progress? And I mean real progression, promotion type of progression. The fact we haven’t had a solid stint in league one for so long is pretty rubbish. We’ve seen clubs like Rotherham and Doncaster who we used to compete with go on and even get to the Championship, and then establish themselves as top end league 1 clubs and grow on and off the field with new stadiums and increased attendances. This is what we should be aiming for and I’m sure is what JR is aiming for. He’s pumping a lot of money in to do that, which we are all very grateful for, but it’s why people are disgruntled with what’s currently unfolding. There’s a level of expectation to live up to now after being so close last season.
Some fans seem relatively content with playing poor football (for the most part),scraping draws against Morecambe, and getting beat by Crawley, with a rookie manager in charge just because he did a decent job with the youth team. Others aren’t because it won’t see us progress.
Jamie wrote:The issue here is the owners / directors decision making. They want promotion, they've done everything they can do help the club achieve that in recent seasons. They've assembled an expensive train set but now amazingly let a total novice look after it.
The appointment of a total rookie, because he was the easy option is proving already to be an expensive mistake. We know they are well intentioned but the sooner they correct this the better. If they wont then they need to temper expectations before things get ugly.
Had we been a mid table side with a mid table budget, struggling along and not really getting any traction year after year, you could argue a rookie appointment is worth a go. We weren't in that position.
We have a manager who prior to the season start had never even coached an adult side. The appointment is baffling but not just because hes a rookie. Because hes uninspiring, wants to draw every game and clearly hasn't got any new or fresh ideas. This is what happens when you appoint a friend, family member or take the easy option. Had JD been clearly a good up and coming gaffer with ideas and a winning mentality it might have worked but every nterview he does tells you hes not that, hes the opposite.
JDs management career is going to be over before it really starts and there'll be no way back once this ends. Hes blowing the biggest opportunity he might ever get by doing a Murray and being far to negative. He needs to wake up and fast.
Jamie wrote:The issue here is the owners / directors decision making. They want promotion, they've done everything they can do help the club achieve that in recent seasons. They've assembled an expensive train set but now amazingly let a total novice look after it.
The appointment of a total rookie, because he was the easy option is proving already to be an expensive mistake. We know they are well intentioned but the sooner they correct this the better. If they wont then they need to temper expectations before things get ugly.
Had we been a mid table side with a mid table budget, struggling along and not really getting any traction year after year, you could argue a rookie appointment is worth a go. We weren't in that position.
We have a manager who prior to the season start had never even coached an adult side. The appointment is baffling but not just because hes a rookie. Because hes uninspiring, wants to draw every game and clearly hasn't got any new or fresh ideas. This is what happens when you appoint a friend, family member or take the easy option. Had JD been clearly a good up and coming gaffer with ideas and a winning mentality it might have worked but every nterview he does tells you hes not that, hes the opposite.
JDs management career is going to be over before it really starts and there'll be no way back once this ends. Hes blowing the biggest opportunity he might ever get by doing a Murray and being far to negative. He needs to wake up and fast.
arsene wengers coat wrote:Woodclanger 1 wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:gazza1988 wrote:The main idea behind leagues is you are facing teams of similar ability. We were expected to gain promotion. Teams like morcembe etc are expected to struggle. Those that are expected to struggle can raise their game against the "big guns" of the league and they tend to raise their game, sometimes its still not enough but sometimes it is.
There's an old adage in football "there are no easy games" which you can find examples of supposed "easy" games where the side that was expected to win drew or lost.
Look at yesterday. The result most of the footballing world are talking about. Norwich beat man City, their first loss since January. There are no easy games. We need to get out of the "Luton mindset" that we should smash everybody we face "because we are better"
Spot on with the Luton mindset comment. We all hated their fans for their 'too big for this league' attitude and we've got it on here now. I know the owners keep saying 'project promotion' but a project is over a long period of time.
We will get it right eventually but we can't expect to show up every game, play dazzling football whilst keeping clean sheets and smashing every team because that just won't happen and it's not realistic for league two.
But we can expect to turn up and see some football, not the negative dog raspberry at present
But Luton fans were right. They were division 1, then they were non league after a points deduction, now they are in the championship (division 1). They were below their historical station.
We are at our historical station, but I dont know what's more depressing, being a bog standard L2 side under Dempster or some fans willingness to readily accept bog standard.
Personally I want to see us being a team that is in and around the League 1 playoffs come every April. That is where we should aim to be.
gazza1988 wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:Woodclanger 1 wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:gazza1988 wrote:The main idea behind leagues is you are facing teams of similar ability. We were expected to gain promotion. Teams like morcembe etc are expected to struggle. Those that are expected to struggle can raise their game against the "big guns" of the league and they tend to raise their game, sometimes its still not enough but sometimes it is.
There's an old adage in football "there are no easy games" which you can find examples of supposed "easy" games where the side that was expected to win drew or lost.
Look at yesterday. The result most of the footballing world are talking about. Norwich beat man City, their first loss since January. There are no easy games. We need to get out of the "Luton mindset" that we should smash everybody we face "because we are better"
Spot on with the Luton mindset comment. We all hated their fans for their 'too big for this league' attitude and we've got it on here now. I know the owners keep saying 'project promotion' but a project is over a long period of time.
We will get it right eventually but we can't expect to show up every game, play dazzling football whilst keeping clean sheets and smashing every team because that just won't happen and it's not realistic for league two.
But we can expect to turn up and see some football, not the negative dog raspberry at present
But Luton fans were right. They were division 1, then they were non league after a points deduction, now they are in the championship (division 1). They were below their historical station.
We are at our historical station, but I dont know what's more depressing, being a bog standard L2 side under Dempster or some fans willingness to readily accept bog standard.
Personally I want to see us being a team that is in and around the League 1 playoffs come every April. That is where we should aim to be.
How we're Luton fans right? That deduction was 11 years ago. They've gone down once and promoted 3 times. That's 4 seasons. They were dead wrong the other 7.
It's not a case of settling. The season is still young, there is a notable difference to how we are expected to defend compared to last season, something had to change as we were "found out" a number of times (luckily we could also score). We keep the side settled defensively I expect us to start picking up wins again.
gazza1988 wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:Woodclanger 1 wrote:bobbystagsfan wrote:gazza1988 wrote:The main idea behind leagues is you are facing teams of similar ability. We were expected to gain promotion. Teams like morcembe etc are expected to struggle. Those that are expected to struggle can raise their game against the "big guns" of the league and they tend to raise their game, sometimes its still not enough but sometimes it is.
There's an old adage in football "there are no easy games" which you can find examples of supposed "easy" games where the side that was expected to win drew or lost.
Look at yesterday. The result most of the footballing world are talking about. Norwich beat man City, their first loss since January. There are no easy games. We need to get out of the "Luton mindset" that we should smash everybody we face "because we are better"
Spot on with the Luton mindset comment. We all hated their fans for their 'too big for this league' attitude and we've got it on here now. I know the owners keep saying 'project promotion' but a project is over a long period of time.
We will get it right eventually but we can't expect to show up every game, play dazzling football whilst keeping clean sheets and smashing every team because that just won't happen and it's not realistic for league two.
But we can expect to turn up and see some football, not the negative dog raspberry at present
But Luton fans were right. They were division 1, then they were non league after a points deduction, now they are in the championship (division 1). They were below their historical station.
We are at our historical station, but I dont know what's more depressing, being a bog standard L2 side under Dempster or some fans willingness to readily accept bog standard.
Personally I want to see us being a team that is in and around the League 1 playoffs come every April. That is where we should aim to be.
How we're Luton fans right? That deduction was 11 years ago. They've gone down once and promoted 3 times. That's 4 seasons. They were dead wrong the other 7.
It's not a case of settling. The season is still young, there is a notable difference to how we are expected to defend compared to last season, something had to change as we were "found out" a number of times (luckily we could also score). We keep the side settled defensively I expect us to start picking up wins again.
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