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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby chip63 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:47 pm

I can only go on reading the report from Martin on here.
He said the main threat in the first half was down the left.
They made substitutions at half time that gave them a threat down the right that surprised him.
Is taking Maynard off and bringing Benning on such a bad decision ?
They didn't score we kept a clean sheet.
He does see threats and is very capable of changing formation.
We've come back from terrible starts to earn points with his changes.
With cook Otis Bobby and white hopefully strengthening the squad I don't see a problem if we are within a shout at Xmas or new year.

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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby ST4GS » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:07 am

chip63 wrote:I can only go on reading the report from Martin on here.
He said the main threat in the first half was down the left.
They made substitutions at half time that gave them a threat down the right that surprised him.
Is taking Maynard off and bringing Benning on such a bad decision ?
They didn't score we kept a clean sheet.
He does see threats and is very capable of changing formation.
We've come back from terrible starts to earn points with his changes.
With cook Otis Bobby and white hopefully strengthening the squad I don't see a problem if we are within a shout at Xmas or new year.

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I think it is.
We were a comfortable 2-0 against a very poor side who were struggling to get a foothold into the game.
I personally (with 44 years experience of watching football) would have tried to maintain the equilibrium as Scunthorpe had not made any late substitutions to change their formation.
ie if we needed to make a change then substitute like for like.
We would in all probability have just ran down the clock and maybe won either 2-0 or 3-0, nobody would have gone home with any negative thoughts and this would have been beneficial for future games by exorcising the Leyton Orient second half.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby Woodclanger 1 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:32 am

chip63 wrote:I can only go on reading the report from Martin on here.
He said the main threat in the first half was down the left.
They made substitutions at half time that gave them a threat down the right that surprised him.
Is taking Maynard off and bringing Benning on such a bad decision ?
They didn't score we kept a clean sheet.
He does see threats and is very capable of changing formation.
We've come back from terrible starts to earn points with his changes.
With cook Otis Bobby and white hopefully strengthening the squad I don't see a problem if we are within a shout at Xmas or new year.

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Your reasoning can be countered as Orient was the most inept and blinkered management for many a season (well since DF 2nd half away at Macc last season :lol:) as everyone in the ground bar JD could see a goal coming, then when he did change it, twas like for like and didn't counter their changes, it was woeful
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby Spiritater » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:42 am

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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby Woodclanger 1 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:14 am

Spiritater wrote:i'll see your macc and raise you clownty away


Ill raise it with Oldham away when they just isolated Gethin with their winger and DF did nowt
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby The One » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:22 am

Woodclanger 1 wrote:
Spiritater wrote:i'll see your macc and raise you clownty away


Ill raise it with Oldham away when they just isolated Gethin with their winger and DF did nowt


I will raise you Cambridge and Northampton away
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby victor A block » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:59 am

geoffhill wrote:Don't see why not.Keep the faith.


Are you doing the league table of non-believers this year Geoff ? If so, put me down for an early 3 points as we've no chance under Dempster of being top 10.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby NorthLondonStag » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:14 am

Anything is possible. We only had one more point last season.

The injuries are coming back so the manager now has 15 plus ‘first team’ players to choose from and some decent players coming through behind them, the Leeming Street incident is in the past, our best keeper is returning and we have a new promising defensive midfielder.

So it’s all set up for a decent run and climbing the table and there can’t be any excuses if we don’t perform over the next few games.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby PRL13 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:33 am

The likelihood is that we might or might not make the playoffs. That is down to the players as well as the Manager. In my opinion, we have the strongest squad that I have seen in the last 8/9 years. The players need to show some balls and work with the Manager. The Manager needs to be less negative and only become more defensive if necessary. The team at times play too deep, especially when we have corners. Attack is the best form of defence! We are favourites to win the League for a reason!
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby Chrisuknottm » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:43 am

PRL13 wrote:The likelihood is that we might or might not make the playoffs. That is down to the players as well as the Manager. In my opinion, we have the strongest squad that I have seen in the last 8/9 years. The players need to show some balls and work with the Manager. The Manager needs to be less negative and only become more defensive if necessary. The team at times play too deep, especially when we have corners. Attack is the best form of defence! We are favourites to win the League for a reason!


Favourites with who ? I haven't seen that and definitively so far there's been no evidence whatsoever that we are a top half club let alone Champions Elect....a view which is held by, conservatively, by at least 50% of posters on here if not more.

It may be as much down to the players but the fear is that this Manager does not have the experience and ability to get the players performing to the level required and consequently we will fail this season. Since when do we have to accept mid table consolidation and mediocrity at best? If you are in a league you try to win it...not make do.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby Amber Andy » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:00 pm

PRL13 wrote:The likelihood is that we might or might not make the playoffs. That is down to the players as well as the Manager. In my opinion, we have the strongest squad that I have seen in the last 8/9 years. The players need to show some balls and work with the Manager. The Manager needs to be less negative and only become more defensive if necessary. The team at times play too deep, especially when we have corners. Attack is the best form of defence! We are favourites to win the League for a reason!


I'm not sure we do have the strongest squad in the last nine years.

Even if we had, it doesn't take away the fact other clubs have stronger squads Plymouth for example.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby Sneag » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:03 pm

The One wrote:
Woodclanger 1 wrote:
Spiritater wrote:i'll see your macc and raise you clownty away


Ill raise it with Oldham away when they just isolated Gethin with their winger and DF did nowt


I will raise you Cambridge and Northampton away


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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby tillydog123 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:09 pm

We need a few back to back wins to try to get the buzz going around the club and team
Look at the third photo in the Dempster team spirit item on the main MTFC website.

All the people on the bench and Lee Glover all looking very very glum and unenthusiastic with hands on chins and JD not looking a lot better but at least he is standing up!!

Have a look and see if its maybe just me!!
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby KirkbyStag2 » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:58 pm

I'm assuming 81 points will be enough for automatic promotion, TOP 3 finish.

Current Table
PLD.....W......D......L......PTS........PPG
8.........2......3......3........9.........1.125 (last season we had 11 points after 8 games)

Required for 81 points
PLD.....W......D......L......PTS.......PPG
38......24.....0......14......72........1.89
38......23.....3......12......72........1.89
38......22.....6......10......72........1.89
38......21.....9.......8.......72........1.89
38......20....12......6.......72........1.89
38......19....15......4.......72........1.89

Based on our current PPG 1.125, we would finish on 52 points, which based on last seasons final table equals 19th.

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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby KirkbyStag2 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:59 pm

I'm assuming 81 points will be enough for automatic promotion, TOP 3 finish.

Current Table
PLD.....W....D....L...PTS....PPG
10.......2....4....4....10.....1.0 (relegation form)

Required for 81 points
PLD.....W....D....L.....PTS....PPG
36......23....2...11.....71.....1.97
36......22....5....9......71.....1.97
36......21....8....7......71.....1.97
36......20...11...5......71.....1.97
36......19...14...3......71.....1.97

Based on our current PPG 1.00, we would finish on 46 points, which based on last seasons final table equals 21st.

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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby KirkbyStag2 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:19 pm

Forget the TOP 3 for now, concentrate on getting 51 points (we sent Bristol Rovers down with 50 points in 2014).

Current Table
PLD..W...D...L...PTS...PPG
11....2...4...5....10....0.91 :shock:

Required for 51 Points
PLD..W...D.....L...PTS...PPG
35...13...2....20...41...1.17
35...12...5....18...41...1.17
35...11...8....16...41...1.17
35...10...11..14...41...1.17
35....9....14..12...41...1.17
35....8....17..10...41...1.17

Stags current PPG of 0.91 over a season would see us finish with 42 points. The exact same number of points we were relegated with in 2008.

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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby NorthLondonStag » Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:32 pm

KirkbyStag2 wrote:Forget the TOP 3 for now, concentrate on getting 51 points (we sent Bristol Rovers down with 50 points in 2014).

Current Table
PLD..W...D...L...PTS...PPG
11....2...4...5....10....0.91 :shock:

Required for 51 Points
PLD..W...D.....L...PTS...PPG
35...13...2....20...41...1.17
35...12...5....18...41...1.17
35...11...8....16...41...1.17
35...10...11..14...41...1.17
35....9....14..12...41...1.17
35....8....17..10...41...1.17

Stags current PPG of 0.91 over a season would see us finish with 42 points. The exact same number of points we were relegated with in 2008.

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It's only one down this year though. The highest point total for bottom in the last few years was 45, the same season as you are referring to (still gets you relegated with 42, but don't need 51). Most years 40+ points would be safe to not be bottom.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 / Updated to AVOID 24th ?

Postby Spiritater » Mon Sep 30, 2019 5:22 am

can't see where another 40 pnts is coming from with these bottling fannies tbh.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 / Updated to AVOID 24th ?

Postby gazza1988 » Mon Sep 30, 2019 12:51 pm

At least we should be able to blood more youngsters through in the conference.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 ?

Postby KirkbyStag2 » Sun Oct 06, 2019 7:28 pm

Forget the TOP 3 for now, concentrate on getting 51 points (we sent Bristol Rovers down with 50 points in 2014).

Current Table
PLD..W...D...L...PTS...PPG
12....3...4...5....13....1.08 :shock:

Required for 51 Points
PLD..W...D.....L...PTS...PPG
34...12...2....20...38...1.12
34...11...5....18...38...1.12
34...10...8....16...38...1.12
34....9...11...14...38...1.12
34....8...14...12...38...1.12
34....7...17...10...38...1.12

Stags current PPG of 1.08 over a season would see us finish with 50 points.

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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 / Updated to AVOID 24th ?

Postby Random Hero » Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:23 am

As has been said - only one goes down. 45 points would be enough to keep us in the league this season.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 / Updated to AVOID 24th ?

Postby part time pete » Sun Oct 27, 2019 10:31 pm

So 30 games remaining, 60 pts will give us 80 pts and perhaps auto promotion.

So 15 wins and 15 draws will do it.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 / Updated to AVOID 24th ?

Postby Spiritater » Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:21 am

Worried bout Kirkbystag, is he ok? No updates for a month.
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 / Updated to AVOID 24th ?

Postby Chrisuknottm » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:50 am

part time pete wrote:So 30 games remaining, 60 pts will give us 80 pts and perhaps auto promotion.

So 15 wins and 15 draws will do it.


Optimism at its very best Pete but so hope you're right
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Re: Can Stags finish in the TOP 3 / Updated to AVOID 24th ?

Postby Jimstag » Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:00 pm

Chrisuknottm wrote:
part time pete wrote:So 30 games remaining, 60 pts will give us 80 pts and perhaps auto promotion.

So 15 wins and 15 draws will do it.


Optimism at its very best Pete but so hope you're right


Back to the standard 2 points per game which is more of a relief. It feels like we’ve distanced ourselves a little from the 24th place race.

Like Chris I think it’s a little optimistic but shows play offs aren’t out of reach either. Whilst I don’t think we’re that strong I haven’t seen many teams that I think are in that position, a decent run now and some strengthening in January could put us in a better position. That said a bad run and you’re looking over your shoulder again.
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