out his depth

[Linby Stag]

Just a thought - when Stags dropped out of the league I decided to tick off the grounds out of the 92 that I’d never been to. Ended up in Bournemouth in 2011 watching them play Scunthorpe in league 1. No idea who he was but Eddie Howe was their manager who, as an ex player rookie manager, had got them promoted the previous year. The rest is history for that small club who took a gamble on a young inexperienced manager. You never know!

[Jamie]

Just a thought - when Stags dropped out of the league I decided to tick off the grounds out of the 92 that I’d never been to. Ended up in Bournemouth in 2011 watching them play Scunthorpe in league 1. No idea who he was but Eddie Howe was their manager who, as an ex player rookie manager, had got them promoted the previous year. The rest is history for that small club who took a gamble on a young inexperienced manager. You never know!

Yeah and anything can happen. Every week someone wins the lottery at a 1 in 40 million chance. Doesn't mean dumping all your life savings into lottery tickets is a good idea though.

For every successful rookie or questionable internal appointment, how many fail?

[I am Spartacus]

Just a thought - when Stags dropped out of the league I decided to tick off the grounds out of the 92 that I’d never been to. Ended up in Bournemouth in 2011 watching them play Scunthorpe in league 1. No idea who he was but Eddie Howe was their manager who, as an ex player rookie manager, had got them promoted the previous year. The rest is history for that small club who took a gamble on a young inexperienced manager. You never know!

Stop being positive or looking for the silver lining. You know on here it is frowned up. Don’t be surprised if when you open your door this evening there will be an angry mob with pitchforks and burning torches ready to discuss your optimism.

[old ram stag]

Mr Spartacus you are only feeling positive because you are sailing the high seas with the new Mrs Spartacus, wait till your back at the Mill giving away 3 points in the second half of a won game.

[Tippy Tappy Football]

We need to cut JD a bit of slack. He's not a miracle worker.

Injuries: Neal Bishop, Andy Cook, Nicky Maynard, Hayden White, Kellan Gordon, Craig Davies, Bobby Olejnik, Jordan Graham?
Suspended: Matt Preston
Club Suspension: Jacob Mellis, Dion Donohue

[Chrisuknottm]

We need to cut JD a bit of slack. He's not a miracle worker.

Injuries: Neal Bishop, Andy Cook, Nicky Maynard, Hayden White, Kellan Gordon, Craig Davies, Bobby Olejnik, Jordan Graham?
Suspended: Matt Preston
Club Suspension: Jacob Mellis, Dion Donohue

The list is awful but surely it's no coincidence when you see unfit overweight professional players unable to last the full game. Danny Rose has bulked up and looks fit and amazing but how many others hand on heart look like they have adopted his personal discipline?

I have zero confidence that JD can motivate and take these players forward and until I have to eat humble pie for holding such a blasphemous opinion I will stick to it.

[victor A block]

Its interesting that the 2 players that do look fit and have performed well so far...Rose and Khan, have both said that they did extra work training pre-season.

[part time pete]

Its interesting that the 2 players that do look fit and have performed well so far...Rose and Khan, have both said that they did extra work training pre-season.

And didn’t appear to get on with David Flitcroft.

[MutinyOnTheCounty]

Love this thread, if we’d somehow held on and we’re top of the league like we were at half time I’m sure half the posters would be saying the complete opposite!

Honestly we’ve got issues but they’re still solvable, as a young manager you’ve got to give JD time. We’ve had experienced managers who faced half the problems John has got and still failed so neither is a guarantee

Playing for a draw at home when 2-0 up

These sorts of posts are why that Facebook group are branding the people on here ‘dinosaurs’ and ‘happy clappers’

Perhaps we should play Killer with managers: - 3 losses (lives) and you're out!


I'd bet many on Facebutt are the ones clamouring for managerial changes the moment things go wrong, the spending of cash without regard to finances, the instant expectation for good results, the incredulity when a club that ends up doing just that goes down and they scratch their heads wondering who to blame

[EdwinstoweStag]

Facebook?

It’s the devil’s work.

[I am Spartacus]

According to Google John Dempster is 1.86 m tall, therefore I would say, to avoid drowning, about 1.60 m would be his depth?

Does that answer your question Old Ram Stag?

[EdwinstoweStag]

According to Google John Dempster is 1.86 m tall, therefore I would say, to avoid drowning, about 1.60 m would be his depth?

Does that answer your question Old Ram Stag?

Clever. Silly, but clever.

[QuarrydaleStag21]

According to Google John Dempster is 1.86 m tall, therefore I would say, to avoid drowning, about 1.60 m would be his depth?

Does that answer your question Old Ram Stag?

Not like them chubby gingers, no matter how tall they may be, chubby gingers are always at a risk of drowning. Chubby ginger offensive term removed.

[I am Spartacus]

According to Google John Dempster is 1.86 m tall, therefore I would say, to avoid drowning, about 1.60 m would be his depth?

Does that answer your question Old Ram Stag?

Not like them chubby gingers, no matter how tall they may be, chubby gingers are always at a risk of drowning. Chubby ginger offensive term removed.

Quarry Dale Stag 21, are you mentally ill or just having a rant?

[spanishstag]

Just another rshole

[yorkshire stag]

Just another rshole

your language this season is extremely blue, observation not a criticism fella

[spanishstag]

Just another rshole

your language this season is extremely blue, observation not a criticism fella

Its probably down to the fact ,that we seem to getting more critical posts on here than i can ever remember ,i dont think i have ever read so much vitriolic critiscism of a manager on here for quite a while ,even though we are not a million miles away from getting it right imo

[part time pete]

The problem is that in the last two years the expectations have been raised that high.

Folk expect, even demand, we win every game. When we don’t the frustrations that build up just release into these vile out bursts.

Until we get promoted, I believe they will just get worse and worse.

[Amber Andy]

Just another rshole

your language this season is extremely blue, observation not a criticism fella

Its probably down to the fact ,that we seem to getting more critical posts on here than i can ever remember ,i dont think i have ever read so much vitriolic critiscism of a manager on here for quite a while ,even though we are not a million miles away from getting it right imo

The last two managers (SE and DF ), had more "vitriolic criticism" on here than JD has had so far Spanishstag.

[old ram stag]

I think it's because the wheels seem to have come off so early in the season both on and off the pitch with regards the playing staff, there seems no leadership in either.

[cassellswasmagic]

The wheels seem to have come off.....Whoaaa. We haven’t started great, but haven’t been terrible either. Take a look at some of the other teams too, they’re not ripping it up either. It’s about getting into your stride and improving game by game. We will get better. It’s very early days. I remember years ago Sunderland being in the bottom 3 of the championship right up to about November then went on to be promoted to the prem. it’s all about momentum up to the end of the season.

[old ram stag]

yes I get that cass but it's on and off the pitch, on the pitch i see a lack of purpose and tactics, they are good players that don't seem to have match guidance, off the pitch is a lack of discipline fitness and professionalism, I hope it does improve and in a month we are all singing his name.

[georgefostersbeard]

yes I get that cass but it's on and off the pitch, on the pitch i see a lack of purpose and tactics, they are good players that don't seem to have match guidance, off the pitch is a lack of discipline fitness and professionalism, I hope it does improve and in a month we are all singing his name.

The fitness issue is now important. The manager said that the tracking software had put them as fitter than last year but some fans are saying they are not fit. Personally i wouldn't have a clue as in my head i can't remember what the fitness levels were like at the start of last season.
I do remember fans saying that Bury and Swindon fans had criticised Flitcroft for over training players.

My point is either the software is wrong, the manager is lying or fan perceptions are wrong

[nick_stags]

yes I get that cass but it's on and off the pitch, on the pitch i see a lack of purpose and tactics, they are good players that don't seem to have match guidance, off the pitch is a lack of discipline fitness and professionalism, I hope it does improve and in a month we are all singing his name.

The fitness issue is now important. The manager said that the tracking software had put them as fitter than last year but some fans are saying they are not fit. Personally i wouldn't have a clue as in my head i can't remember what the fitness levels were like at the start of last season.
I do remember fans saying that Bury and Swindon fans had criticised Flitcroft for over training players.

My point is either the software is wrong, the manager is lying or fan perceptions are wrong

My pretty clear IMO which of those is most likely.

There has been nothing to suggest the players are unfit, literally nothing at all.

[spanishstag]

Just another rshole

your language this season is extremely blue, observation not a criticism fella

Its probably down to the fact ,that we seem to getting more critical posts on here than i can ever remember ,i dont think i have ever read so much vitriolic critiscism of a manager on here for quite a while ,even though we are not a million miles away from getting it right imo

The last two managers (SE and DF ), had more "vitriolic criticism" on here than JD has had so far Spanishstag.

Your probably right ,but and im not having a go at you ,but we seem to have a lot more negativity on here than we have ever had ,people criticising jr for appointing a rookie ,jr and carolyn for being out of the country too much ,poor fitness levels ,,management being to relaxed ,its purely speculative ,we dont really know