Managing players with bad reputations.

[ParisStag]

I've noticed that we have 2 trialists at the moment that have had a bit of bother with previous clubs. Jack Hickman at Coventry and Jose Baxter at, well numerous clubs, have both earned reputations for making poor life choices. It got me thinking about how often these types of players come good for a club and turn themselves around. How much of it is down to the manager when they do? JD probably fancies himself as a good man manager from working with teenagers, who can often be temperamental. Who have we had in the past with less than spotless records? How have they fared with us? I can think of Gary Roberts and Adam Chapman to name two. Mellis also came with a bit of a reputation, but seems to have settled with us. Would you take/reject either of the two current trialists based on their pasts or just on ability?

[HughesyStag89]

Left back Tony Vaughan had a bit of a bad rep, in fact I’m sure I remember him clouting a swansea player down near the tunnel at the mill many years ago

[Spiritater]

Keigan Parker

[MTFCMusings]

Billy Kee too.

Has to be on ability but either way based on what I've seen the answer is no.

[marker_mtfc95]

Adam Murray.

[one f in mansfield]

Dave Syrett ,R.I.P

Far from being a model professional but would love to see someone like him in a stags shirt again .

[stagmanrob]

Jamie Hand.
Jake Speight.

[bobbystagsfan]

Billy Kee too.

Has to be on ability but either way based on what I've seen the answer is no.

Bit harsh, he suffered with mental health issues didn't he? Not just being a bad lad

[MTFCMAD]

Billy Kee too.

Has to be on ability but either way based on what I've seen the answer is no.

Bit harsh, he suffered with mental health issues didn't he? Not just being a bad lad

Correct.

Shows that alot on this board still dont understand these issues.

Specially with one poster thinking both Kee and Murray had drug problems when they came to us which couldn't be further from the truth.

[MTFCMusings]

Billy Kee too.

Has to be on ability but either way based on what I've seen the answer is no.

Bit harsh, he suffered with mental health issues didn't he? Not just being a bad lad

Correct.

Shows that alot on this board still dont understand these issues.

Specially with one poster thinking both Kee and Murray had drug problems when they came to us which couldn't be further from the truth.

The opening post asked about players with bad reputations. Whether the reputation was deserved or not was not the question. The reality is that most of the footballers who are a 'bad lad' may also have unpublished or undiscovered mental health issues.

At the time he joined us, I think I'm right in saying that Kee had not opened up about his mental health, so nobody could possibly have known.

[lifestags]

Gary Roberts was one who had so much ability but could not control himself.

[bobbystagsfan]

Billy Kee too.

Has to be on ability but either way based on what I've seen the answer is no.

Bit harsh, he suffered with mental health issues didn't he? Not just being a bad lad

Correct.

Shows that alot on this board still dont understand these issues.

Specially with one poster thinking both Kee and Murray had drug problems when they came to us which couldn't be further from the truth.

The opening post asked about players with bad reputations. Whether the reputation was deserved or not was not the question. The reality is that most of the footballers who are a 'bad lad' may also have unpublished or undiscovered mental health issues.

At the time he joined us, I think I'm right in saying that Kee had not opened up about his mental health, so nobody could possibly have known.

Did Billy kee come with a bad reputation? I can't remember him having one

[NorthLondonStag]

Dave Caldwell. My boyhood hero. What a player.

[Rob]

Dave Caldwell. My boyhood hero. What a player.

Stand by for Belly!! DC was a fantastic footballer, my boyhood hero too when loads of my loser mates had those plastic Liverpool bags yet had never been anywhere near the M62 - the utter knobbers.

[Sedgwick]

Can we stop saying players have bad attitudes or have made bad decisions when they've been suffering from severe depression... Baxter is another than turned to drugs because of his mental health.

[Spiritater]

did lee hughes have deep seated issues the night he got plastered and wiped that family out? he may well have undiscovered mental health we don't know about. shouldn't he have had counselling instead

[I am Spartacus]

Dave Caldwell. My boyhood hero. What a player.

Stand by for Belly!! DC was a fantastic footballer, my boyhood hero too when loads of my loser mates had those plastic Liverpool bags yet had never been anywhere near the M62 - the utter knobbers.

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[I am Spartacus]

did lee hughes have deep seated issues the night he got plastered and wiped that family out? he may well have undiscovered mental health we don't know about. shouldn't he have had counselling instead

No, he was an entitled raspberry and coward who did a runner after his ‘accident’.

[NorthLondonStag]

Dave Caldwell. My boyhood hero. What a player.

Stand by for Belly!! DC was a fantastic footballer, my boyhood hero too when loads of my loser mates had those plastic Liverpool bags yet had never been anywhere near the M62 - the utter knobbers.

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Great player but also used to get up to all sorts of stuff. I remember (before the days of TV cameras at all games) he was kneeling down after being tackled and the defender who had tackled him walked past him (I was at the front of the stand about 20 yards away). The defender didn't touch him but Dave went down dramatically holding his face like he'd been shot and appealing to the referee. He'd have been banned for a few games for that these days.

[Tippy Tappy Football]

JD should get rid. We do not need these players in the dressing room.

Jose Baxter's career has been on the decline for some time. He only made 13 (16) league starts for Oldham last season. The last season where he made over 20 league starts was 2014-2015 when he made 28(6) league starts for Sheff U and scored 10 goals.

Jak Hickman is clearly a billy big boots wannabe with a drug habit who has not even made a first team start for Coventry. I'd rather play one of our own lads from the U21s/youth team.