Sedgwick wrote: Big yella wrote: Sedgwick wrote:
Jimstag wrote:Actually 1 question I do have regarding this is in the changing room in that Phil Neville is not allowed in the women’s changing room for a set period and team talks held on the pitch for fairly obvious reasons, would some sort of regulation like this have to happen for an openly gay player?
It is OTT for me but at the same time it opens a whole minefield for me.
Rediciulous. Just because he's Gay, doesn't mean he cant share a changing room. Do you think just because a gay man is getting dressed next to other men, he'll fancy them or come onto them or something like that so they need to be segregated.. I just cant work out how you've even thought of that? let alone ask it as a genuine question. If you have a problem with a gay man in your changing room, then you're the one that needs taking out of that situation and educating.
Maybe im not quite understanding what you're getting at...
Gareth Thomas didn't get that sort of treatment did he? and you don't go into a gym with separate changing rooms... the comparison to Phil Neville doesn't translate, hes a man in a women's changing room, completely different.
His teammates and the public need to support him, so future gay players don't feel the need to hide and they can live happily the same as everyone else.
So what you are saying is that gay men and gay women can be trusted to control their sexual feelings in a dressing room but heterosexual men can’t, got you. Tell me exactly what would Phil Neville or any other bloke see in in a changing room he wouldn’t see on a Spanish beach whilst with his wife and kids. No I’m not anti gay, you just can’t have double standards.
Basic privacy there, not double standards.... it's the basic principle and idea of why female and male changing rooms exist in the world. The idea of needing a separate changing room, yes just the idea of it, for the one openly gay player.... you lot are why Mansfield is a backwards dump.
I'm not suggesting separate changing rooms, just that it is a double standard to say that a gay man won't sexually objectify another man just because they share a dressing room, but a heterosexual man will sexually objectify a woman when doing the same, and that sexual objectification is the reason separate rooms were introduced wasn't it?
Are you saying that only straight men can sexually objectify? Every gay man/woman I have known well enough to call a friend has objectified someone at some stage, and it hasn't mattered if that person was gay or straight. Just as I know I have gay women.
I've been on holiday with gay men, and also women who I wasn't in a relationship with, who saw what mattered not one jot. It "wasn't on offer" so that was that. I will openly welcome the first openly gay footballer, but having rules that basically say gay people can be trusted but straight people can't is having double standards.
Flip, flop & fly, Mansfield till I die.