Sneag wrote:Maybe JR is thinking that Stags have started to be seen as cash cow to be milked by washed up football managers and that promoting a loyal servant like Dempster is a better way forward.
bobbystagsfan wrote:Sneag wrote:Maybe JR is thinking that Stags have started to be seen as cash cow to be milked by washed up football managers and that promoting a loyal servant like Dempster is a better way forward.
someone else said something similar. managers see a well run club with money to spend, they have nothing to lose if they don't achieve anything so will come for an easy ride almost. Dempster's been here for a while now and I'm sure JR knows him very well and trusts him running the youth team and now the first team.
There's no reason we can't have a successful season next year!
kevin kents tasce wrote:Good points Sneag, but claiming Watkiss as a success is stretching it a bit surely!?
Sneag wrote:Here's a thought for those that prefer an experienced head in the dugout.
Stags have won 3 championships in my lifetime.
Dave Smith in 74/75 first job in management.
Peter Morris 76/77 first job in management
Paul Cox 12/13 first job at BSP level only previous job Eastwood Town.
Add to that Promotions for Watkiss & Foster in their first managerial jobs (although Fozzie got a relegation in first.
Panic ye not.
Amber Andy wrote:Sneag wrote:Here's a thought for those that prefer an experienced head in the dugout.
Stags have won 3 championships in my lifetime.
Dave Smith in 74/75 first job in management.
Peter Morris 76/77 first job in management
Paul Cox 12/13 first job at BSP level only previous job Eastwood Town.
Add to that Promotions for Watkiss & Foster in their first managerial jobs (although Fozzie got a relegation in first.
Panic ye not.
Ian Greaves, Bill Dearden ?
EdwinstoweStag wrote:It demonstrates one thing ABSOLUTELY:
JR is still 100% committed to the club and it future progression.
yorkstag wrote:EdwinstoweStag wrote:It demonstrates one thing ABSOLUTELY:
JR is still 100% committed to the club and it future progression.
Agreed
Sneag wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Sneag wrote:Here's a thought for those that prefer an experienced head in the dugout.
Stags have won 3 championships in my lifetime.
Dave Smith in 74/75 first job in management.
Peter Morris 76/77 first job in management
Paul Cox 12/13 first job at BSP level only previous job Eastwood Town.
Add to that Promotions for Watkiss & Foster in their first managerial jobs (although Fozzie got a relegation in first.
Panic ye not.
Ian Greaves, Bill Dearden ?
Greaves is actually the only manager with previous experience to deliver anything.
Had Dearden been a first team manager before tak8ng over at Stags?
Amber Andy wrote:Sneag wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Sneag wrote:Here's a thought for those that prefer an experienced head in the dugout.
Stags have won 3 championships in my lifetime.
Dave Smith in 74/75 first job in management.
Peter Morris 76/77 first job in management
Paul Cox 12/13 first job at BSP level only previous job Eastwood Town.
Add to that Promotions for Watkiss & Foster in their first managerial jobs (although Fozzie got a relegation in first.
Panic ye not.
Ian Greaves, Bill Dearden ?
Greaves is actually the only manager with previous experience to deliver anything.
Had Dearden been a first team manager before tak8ng over at Stags?
Port Vale.
I stand correctedMTFCMAD wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Sneag wrote:Amber Andy wrote:Sneag wrote:Here's a thought for those that prefer an experienced head in the dugout.
Stags have won 3 championships in my lifetime.
Dave Smith in 74/75 first job in management.
Peter Morris 76/77 first job in management
Paul Cox 12/13 first job at BSP level only previous job Eastwood Town.
Add to that Promotions for Watkiss & Foster in their first managerial jobs (although Fozzie got a relegation in first.
Panic ye not.
Ian Greaves, Bill Dearden ?
Greaves is actually the only manager with previous experience to deliver anything.
Had Dearden been a first team manager before tak8ng over at Stags?
Port Vale.
Wrong....
Dearden was caretaker manager for us 1993 for about 6 weeks and was caretaker for port Vale but never actually managed a game for them.
His first appointment as a manager was here in 1999.
bobbystagsfan wrote:Sneag wrote:Maybe JR is thinking that Stags have started to be seen as cash cow to be milked by washed up football managers and that promoting a loyal servant like Dempster is a better way forward.
someone else said something similar. managers see a well run club with money to spend, they have nothing to lose if they don't achieve anything so will come for an easy ride almost. Dempster's been here for a while now and I'm sure JR knows him very well and trusts him running the youth team and now the first team.
There's no reason we can't have a successful season next year!
m1cksut wrote:ok , just to throw another option in from left field;
Dempster has been here since the dark days of non league, did all his coaching badges with us, and has made the youth set up one of the best, developing some really good young talent.
was this JRs plan all along, to bring Dempster through the ranks, learning all the time from the more "experienced" managers, seeing what worked and what didnt, until he was deemed ready for the first team.
why people think that "senior" players wouldnt respect him is beyond me.
did any of them respect evans? feared him, perhaps, but i doubt there was much respect.
did they respect flitcroft? possibly, and where did that get us?
Dempster is coming in with history with the club, with a core of youngsters eager to press on, and with JR and CRs backing.
Its possible it will all end in tears, but we have ended in tears with other, more experienced managers before.
for what its worth, i think Dempster wil surprise many on here, and will make a good fist of it, and this time next year, no-one will bemoan letting flitcroft go now.
MTFCMusings wrote:As someone else suggested to me, there is no doubt that Steve Hymas has had a big part to play in this appointment. He never seemed to be a fan of Flitcroft even when we were sitting pretty, bringing up the 'freezing out' of youth players despite them training with the first team on a regular basis.
Of course everyone wants to see us develop our own players, but that should not be at the detriment of our fortunes on the pitch. There's no point just throwing these youngsters in for the sake of it if they are not yet good enough.
You can see now why Flitcroft maybe didn't throw a youth player in when he was under such huge pressure to deliver promotion. If you were him, knowing that you would get the boot if you didn't deliver, would you throw on Alex MacDonald or Alistair Smith? Ben Turner or Lewis Gibbens? Danny Rose or Zayn Hakeem?
MTFCMusings wrote:As someone else suggested to me, there is no doubt that Steve Hymas has had a big part to play in this appointment. He never seemed to be a fan of Flitcroft even when we were sitting pretty, bringing up the 'freezing out' of youth players despite them training with the first team on a regular basis.
Of course everyone wants to see us develop our own players, but that should not be at the detriment of our fortunes on the pitch. There's no point just throwing these youngsters in for the sake of it if they are not yet good enough.
You can see now why Flitcroft maybe didn't throw a youth player in when he was under such huge pressure to deliver promotion. If you were him, knowing that you would get the boot if you didn't deliver, would you throw on Alex MacDonald or Alistair Smith? Ben Turner or Lewis Gibbens? Danny Rose or Zayn Hakeem?
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