CassellsCap wrote:we don’t have a divine right to be in a higher division..just like all the other teams
Sneag wrote:CassellsCap wrote:we don’t have a divine right to be in a higher division..just like all the other teams
No one says we do. This is a non argument used by people who want to keep DF.
It's up there with 'who would you get in' like there is a national shortage of professional coaches and ' sacking DF means we have to start all over again. Newsflash, this squad will see a 40% staff churn over the summer regardless of who is boss.
All clubs through a season will suffer setbacks, injuries to key players, key players losing form, dodgy referee calls etc, but the buck always stops at the managers door. They all know that, it's why no manager I can think of ever admits a mistake, they all want to blame someone else.
I don't think DF will get sacked and with JRs money he might be successful next year. But I think (my opinion other are available and valid) he is a poor manager.
Compare & contrast the job he's done with his opposite number last night. Look at the squad & position Flynn inherited and the resources at his disposal. Rob of course will argue that Flynn had an extra season but Flynn earned the time, not sure DF has.
Sneag wrote:CassellsCap wrote:we don’t have a divine right to be in a higher division..just like all the other teams
No one says we do. This is a non argument used by people who want to keep DF.
It's up there with 'who would you get in' like there is a national shortage of professional coaches and ' sacking DF means we have to start all over again. Newsflash, this squad will see a 40% staff churn over the summer regardless of who is boss.
All clubs through a season will suffer setbacks, injuries to key players, key players losing form, dodgy referee calls etc, but the buck always stops at the managers door. They all know that, it's why no manager I can think of ever admits a mistake, they all want to blame someone else.
I don't think DF will get sacked and with JRs money he might be successful next year. But I think (my opinion other are available and valid) he is a poor manager.
Compare & contrast the job he's done with his opposite number last night. Look at the squad & position Flynn inherited and the resources at his disposal. Rob of course will argue that Flynn had an extra season but Flynn earned the time, not sure DF has.
Woodclanger 1 wrote:Sneag wrote:CassellsCap wrote:we don’t have a divine right to be in a higher division..just like all the other teams
No one says we do. This is a non argument used by people who want to keep DF.
It's up there with 'who would you get in' like there is a national shortage of professional coaches and ' sacking DF means we have to start all over again. Newsflash, this squad will see a 40% staff churn over the summer regardless of who is boss.
All clubs through a season will suffer setbacks, injuries to key players, key players losing form, dodgy referee calls etc, but the buck always stops at the managers door. They all know that, it's why no manager I can think of ever admits a mistake, they all want to blame someone else.
I don't think DF will get sacked and with JRs money he might be successful next year. But I think (my opinion other are available and valid) he is a poor manager.
Compare & contrast the job he's done with his opposite number last night. Look at the squad & position Flynn inherited and the resources at his disposal. Rob of course will argue that Flynn had an extra season but Flynn earned the time, not sure DF has.
I wouldn't want Flynn, he's another anti football, send 'm out to intimidate kind of manager. They tread a fine line and got lucky with two weak refs in these play off games, the lead with the elbow early on last night was another red but got away with it again.
Sneag wrote:Woodclanger 1 wrote:Sneag wrote:CassellsCap wrote:we don’t have a divine right to be in a higher division..just like all the other teams
No one says we do. This is a non argument used by people who want to keep DF.
It's up there with 'who would you get in' like there is a national shortage of professional coaches and ' sacking DF means we have to start all over again. Newsflash, this squad will see a 40% staff churn over the summer regardless of who is boss.
All clubs through a season will suffer setbacks, injuries to key players, key players losing form, dodgy referee calls etc, but the buck always stops at the managers door. They all know that, it's why no manager I can think of ever admits a mistake, they all want to blame someone else.
I don't think DF will get sacked and with JRs money he might be successful next year. But I think (my opinion other are available and valid) he is a poor manager.
Compare & contrast the job he's done with his opposite number last night. Look at the squad & position Flynn inherited and the resources at his disposal. Rob of course will argue that Flynn had an extra season but Flynn earned the time, not sure DF has.
I wouldn't want Flynn, he's another anti football, send 'm out to intimidate kind of manager. They tread a fine line and got lucky with two weak refs in these play off games, the lead with the elbow early on last night was another red but got away with it again.
He's getting the best out of the tools he has at his disposal. Ugly football, but a good manager. He'll be at Cardiff or Swansea next.
Rob wrote:Sneag wrote:CassellsCap wrote:we don’t have a divine right to be in a higher division..just like all the other teams
No one says we do. This is a non argument used by people who want to keep DF.
It's up there with 'who would you get in' like there is a national shortage of professional coaches and ' sacking DF means we have to start all over again. Newsflash, this squad will see a 40% staff churn over the summer regardless of who is boss.
All clubs through a season will suffer setbacks, injuries to key players, key players losing form, dodgy referee calls etc, but the buck always stops at the managers door. They all know that, it's why no manager I can think of ever admits a mistake, they all want to blame someone else.
I don't think DF will get sacked and with JRs money he might be successful next year. But I think (my opinion other are available and valid) he is a poor manager.
Compare & contrast the job he's done with his opposite number last night. Look at the squad & position Flynn inherited and the resources at his disposal. Rob of course will argue that Flynn had an extra season but Flynn earned the time, not sure DF has.
Do you really think I am the only one saying you have to give a manager more than 14 months? I think if you read this board a little deeper than a few posts by jpstags, Hjelde and a few other usual suspects, I think most sensible, patient fans are prepared to give DF this summer to strengthen - but I think for even the most patient of us, this will be his last chance, fail to secure top 3 then I will agree it will be time for a change. I suspect JR will be of the same mind so ultimately the whining of a few on here is pretty pointless, especially as they are probably in the minority. Furthermore, even though fans will point to the wage budget DF had, I'd guess that overall this season the club has been pretty close to breaking even. Last time we did better than 4th in League 2 was 17 years ago and we came straight back down, I think some on here are starting to get Luton syndrome.
DF has made plenty of mistakes but has also been extremely unlucky, serious long term injuries to key players and last night an injury to our most important player - add that to some incredibly poor decisions against us which I do not think evened out over the season then I would say the gods have not been kind to us this season overall. But, ultimately I don't think we were quite good enough this season overall, the loan signings in January didn't really click though of course at the time we all thought they were good signings. We need a minor clear out of the remaining players who have barely contributed and keep the vital players like Pearce and Bishop. As I've said on another thread I'd sign Turner instantly and would use freed up cash from those released to sign a couple of top quality strikers. Although I like Rose and his whole hearted attitude, a striker who can't score is not what is needed to get top 3 - get a reasonable offer then I think he should move on.
Sneag wrote:I see your point Rob I really do and my normal default position is give a manager at least two seasons. But I honestly think this man is a total fraud.
EdwinstoweStag wrote:Some people!!!!!
Deal with your disappointment. There’s absolutely no sense in changing the management just because we finished fourth - our best position for years.
Enjoy your summer. Let’s all come back next season and play our part in building on what has been achieved so far.
Sneag wrote:CassellsCap wrote:we don’t have a divine right to be in a higher division..just like all the other teams
No one says we do. This is a non argument used by people who want to keep DF.
It's up there with 'who would you get in' like there is a national shortage of professional coaches and ' sacking DF means we have to start all over again. Newsflash, this squad will see a 40% staff churn over the summer regardless of who is boss.
All clubs through a season will suffer setbacks, injuries to key players, key players losing form, dodgy referee calls etc, but the buck always stops at the managers door. They all know that, it's why no manager I can think of ever admits a mistake, they all want to blame someone else.
I don't think DF will get sacked and with JRs money he might be successful next year. But I think (my opinion other are available and valid) he is a poor manager.
Compare & contrast the job he's done with his opposite number last night. Look at the squad & position Flynn inherited and the resources at his disposal. Rob of course will argue that Flynn had an extra season but Flynn earned the time, not sure DF has.
bellwhiff wrote:Sneag wrote:CassellsCap wrote:we don’t have a divine right to be in a higher division..just like all the other teams
No one says we do. This is a non argument used by people who want to keep DF.
It's up there with 'who would you get in' like there is a national shortage of professional coaches and ' sacking DF means we have to start all over again. Newsflash, this squad will see a 40% staff churn over the summer regardless of who is boss.
All clubs through a season will suffer setbacks, injuries to key players, key players losing form, dodgy referee calls etc, but the buck always stops at the managers door. They all know that, it's why no manager I can think of ever admits a mistake, they all want to blame someone else.
I don't think DF will get sacked and with JRs money he might be successful next year. But I think (my opinion other are available and valid) he is a poor manager.
Compare & contrast the job he's done with his opposite number last night. Look at the squad & position Flynn inherited and the resources at his disposal. Rob of course will argue that Flynn had an extra season but Flynn earned the time, not sure DF has.
Haha. Ridiculous to say he’s not earned another season
This country.
Sneag wrote:Rob wrote:Sneag wrote:CassellsCap wrote:we don’t have a divine right to be in a higher division..just like all the other teams
No one says we do. This is a non argument used by people who want to keep DF.
It's up there with 'who would you get in' like there is a national shortage of professional coaches and ' sacking DF means we have to start all over again. Newsflash, this squad will see a 40% staff churn over the summer regardless of who is boss.
All clubs through a season will suffer setbacks, injuries to key players, key players losing form, dodgy referee calls etc, but the buck always stops at the managers door. They all know that, it's why no manager I can think of ever admits a mistake, they all want to blame someone else.
I don't think DF will get sacked and with JRs money he might be successful next year. But I think (my opinion other are available and valid) he is a poor manager.
Compare & contrast the job he's done with his opposite number last night. Look at the squad & position Flynn inherited and the resources at his disposal. Rob of course will argue that Flynn had an extra season but Flynn earned the time, not sure DF has.
Do you really think I am the only one saying you have to give a manager more than 14 months? I think if you read this board a little deeper than a few posts by jpstags, Hjelde and a few other usual suspects, I think most sensible, patient fans are prepared to give DF this summer to strengthen - but I think for even the most patient of us, this will be his last chance, fail to secure top 3 then I will agree it will be time for a change. I suspect JR will be of the same mind so ultimately the whining of a few on here is pretty pointless, especially as they are probably in the minority. Furthermore, even though fans will point to the wage budget DF had, I'd guess that overall this season the club has been pretty close to breaking even. Last time we did better than 4th in League 2 was 17 years ago and we came straight back down, I think some on here are starting to get Luton syndrome.
DF has made plenty of mistakes but has also been extremely unlucky, serious long term injuries to key players and last night an injury to our most important player - add that to some incredibly poor decisions against us which I do not think evened out over the season then I would say the gods have not been kind to us this season overall. But, ultimately I don't think we were quite good enough this season overall, the loan signings in January didn't really click though of course at the time we all thought they were good signings. We need a minor clear out of the remaining players who have barely contributed and keep the vital players like Pearce and Bishop. As I've said on another thread I'd sign Turner instantly and would use freed up cash from those released to sign a couple of top quality strikers. Although I like Rose and his whole hearted attitude, a striker who can't score is not what is needed to get top 3 - get a reasonable offer then I think he should move on.
I see your point Rob I really do and my normal default position is give a manager at least two seasons. But I honestly think this man is a total fraud.
Jamie wrote:Rob, you've contradicted yourself about budget. Hes either had one where hes expected to deliver (ie top 3 in size) or we've about broken even. Which is it? Our natural income does not give us a top 3 budget.
He has failed to get us up twice now. Once from a good position and once from an almost easy position. He deserves a 3rd and final crack at it but must learn the lessons of this season. We lost our style and ended up hoofing to a weak front line. He has to recognise that and fix it either by not doing it or having a more diverse bench.
old ram stag wrote:I have two questions which have come out of this season, why the total change in our style of play early in 2019 from total football to long ball? and why are we so negative at set pieces bringing everyone back for every corner and long throw ?, I think he's had his chance and we need a manager who can finish the job, it's a long season and from what we've seen DF seems to have issues with the last 3 months of it.
Rob wrote:Jamie wrote:Rob, you've contradicted yourself about budget. Hes either had one where hes expected to deliver (ie top 3 in size) or we've about broken even. Which is it? Our natural income does not give us a top 3 budget.
He has failed to get us up twice now. Once from a good position and once from an almost easy position. He deserves a 3rd and final crack at it but must learn the lessons of this season. We lost our style and ended up hoofing to a weak front line. He has to recognise that and fix it either by not doing it or having a more diverse bench.
The point about income is that by having a large budget has also meant that because we have challenged all season much of this money has been recouped. Of course our natural budget at the start of the season isn't top 3, but if you deliver top 3 by the end of the season you are likely to get close to breaking even. This season I am not sure we did have a top 3 budget, I suspect County, MK Dons and Bury had higher wage bills, we are probably close to Lincoln and Oldham but of course I am guessing!
Next season, if DF is given a top 3 budget then he will be expected to deliver top 3, he has no excuses now, no Evans leftovers to deal with, he can completely build his own squad in the summer.
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