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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby Rob » Mon May 13, 2019 8:40 am

Jamie wrote:Benning and CJ are the only ones who might attract interest, IMO. The Chef wont go sit on the bench in L1.

Continuity is key and we'll keep most of this team together IMO, once the loan players have gone of course.


I agree, also I think we are forgetting who our owner is, many clubs in League 1 will not be able to afford Pearce or Benning, both of whom I believe are under contract for another season. If JR wants to keep them both, which I think he will, then it will take an offer only a few clubs in League 1 can afford for us to sell them. It's not like Haslam days where 50p and a bag of Wurthers would get you our best playes.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby Fitzy499 » Mon May 13, 2019 8:57 am

How much has the playoffs earned us? £500000-£1000000 is my guess. Hopefully the majority of this would be put to upgrading the squad.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby Rob » Mon May 13, 2019 9:00 am

Fitzy499 wrote:How much has the playoffs earned us? £500000-£1000000 is my guess. Hopefully the majority of this would be put to upgrading the squad.


My understanding is JR will continue to back the club for the foreseeable and whilst the extra income we have made this season will offset his "investment" into the club, I think even without it DF would be given a top 3 budget next season.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby stagmanrob » Mon May 13, 2019 9:09 am

I'd take a reasonable offer for CJ personally, but on the other hand I can't see Flitcroft ever departing from this 3-5-2 system he persists with, so pace on the break is a necessity if we carry on into the new season unable to string more than 4 passes together.

We won't get many players with the pace of CJ without having to chuck money at them, as much as I don't really rate him as highly as a lot of folk do, pace is an expensive commodity in football.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby Jamie » Mon May 13, 2019 9:27 am

CJ doesn't work in this formation though. Not good enough to play LWB and not strong enough to play up top. If we get a good offer we should take it and put all our money into proven strikers.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby sunray » Mon May 13, 2019 9:37 am

If they offer Rose a contract it should be on much lower basic and higher goal bonuses. Also time limit the offer to a couple of weeks - take it or leave it. We don't owe him any loyalty.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby Rob » Mon May 13, 2019 9:38 am

sunray wrote:If they offer Rose a contract it should be on much lower basic and higher goal bonuses. Also time limit the offer to a couple of weeks - take it or leave it. We don't owe him any loyalty.


He has another year, as do many of our players I believe.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby kyle b » Mon May 13, 2019 9:40 am

Danny is still under contract till next summer
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby Sedgwick » Mon May 13, 2019 9:55 am

Logan
Olejnik

White
Benning
Pearce
Preston
Sweeney
Turner

Mellis
Bishop
Macca
Tomlinson
Khan
Atkinson? Thought he's always looked good as a centre mid not wingback, looked better than anything else we had last night when he came on.

Rose
Davies (Both as back ups)


Thats a good spine... Cash in on CJ, He'll be another Nathan Thomas, big money move to a championship club then loaned out to league one/two over and over.


Tyler Walker, simply been brilliant and carried us as our only striker. Show what you can do at forest or league one.
Grant, good player that still needs to learn a lot... Probably be on loan in this league again.
Jordan Smith, not bothered Logan and bobby both better.
Gethin Jones, Awful. Released by Fleetwood no doubt and signed by someone like morecambe.

Ajose... Id sign, theres a good player there if he was settled with a great preseason.
Elsnik, Make an offer to Derby. Hes brilliant for league two and was doing well in this side.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby MTFCMAD » Mon May 13, 2019 10:39 am

Pretty sure Pearce and Benning have a contract for another year so it’s up to us
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby bellwhiff » Mon May 13, 2019 10:55 am

Rob wrote:
sunray wrote:If they offer Rose a contract it should be on much lower basic and higher goal bonuses. Also time limit the offer to a couple of weeks - take it or leave it. We don't owe him any loyalty.


He has another year, as do many of our players I believe.

Transfer list him.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby kyle b » Mon May 13, 2019 11:02 am

bellwhiff wrote:
Rob wrote:
sunray wrote:If they offer Rose a contract it should be on much lower basic and higher goal bonuses. Also time limit the offer to a couple of weeks - take it or leave it. We don't owe him any loyalty.


He has another year, as do many of our players I believe.

Transfer list him.

Why??
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby MTFCMAD » Mon May 13, 2019 11:05 am

kyle b wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:
Rob wrote:
sunray wrote:If they offer Rose a contract it should be on much lower basic and higher goal bonuses. Also time limit the offer to a couple of weeks - take it or leave it. We don't owe him any loyalty.


He has another year, as do many of our players I believe.

Transfer list him.

Why??


Because we can do better than someone who scores 4 goals a season and throws a strop when he wanted to leave. He showed this club no loyalty and should of been sold when we had chance.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby Captain Cunno » Mon May 13, 2019 12:16 pm

This all depends on what direction JR wants to go.
He could continue to go big or quite possibly reign it all back like he has previously.

Time will tell.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby WVStag » Mon May 13, 2019 12:44 pm

If he's going to back DF, he has to go all the way. Same

If he's not (and he shouldn't), a new manager with new ideas needed.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby bellwhiff » Mon May 13, 2019 12:49 pm

MTFCMAD wrote:
kyle b wrote:
bellwhiff wrote:
Rob wrote:
sunray wrote:If they offer Rose a contract it should be on much lower basic and higher goal bonuses. Also time limit the offer to a couple of weeks - take it or leave it. We don't owe him any loyalty.


He has another year, as do many of our players I believe.

Transfer list him.

Why??


Because we can do better than someone who scores 4 goals a season and throws a strop when he wanted to leave. He showed this club no loyalty and should of been sold when we had chance.

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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby EdwinstoweStag » Mon May 13, 2019 1:33 pm

Captain Cunno wrote:This all depends on what direction JR wants to go.
He could continue to go big or quite possibly reign it all back like he has previously.

Time will tell.


I understand Steve Evans is still available
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby arsene wengers coat » Mon May 13, 2019 1:42 pm

Jamie wrote:Wholesale hopefully won't happen. We need 5/6 changes to the squad and that's it. If Bish has another year in him we could see 9 of the team we could have now, injuries allowing...

White, Davies, Khan all to come back next season. Defence and Keeper is sorted. Keep Mellis, CJ, Tommo, Macca...


You quote the ideal scenario. I think we'll see a lot of the 'first team' leave, through loans terminating and through bids from other clubs, and what we're left with is all the squad players.

We may need a whole new attack line, 2 defenders, and 2 or 3 midfielders.

Wonder if this special relationship with forest provides us with anything.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby Captain Cunno » Mon May 13, 2019 2:01 pm

My thoughts/Hope's next for season...

Some achievable others not as much...
(Based on selling CJ which is inevitable)

Bobby
(New back up)

Pearce Peter Clarke (free) Sweeney
(Preston) (Turner)

White Bishop Boateng (free) Benning
(O' Neill free) (Tomlinson) (mellis) (D Mcrory free)

Jamie Devitt (fee) Josh Morris (free)
(Khan) (N Thomas free yes him)

D Rowe (Fee)
(Davies)
(Graham)
Release
Logan
Mirfin
Sterling James


Transfer list
D Rose


Leaves W Atkinson A Smith to make a 24 man squad
(Unless I've missed someone which I probably have)

Others I would certainly be looking at budget dependant are

Leon Clarke free
Knight percival free
Marc Richard's free
M Blair free
George Maris free

In my opinion we lack MEN and leaders.

Peter Clarke would be a great signing , yes he's getting on but he's a leader.

The others are a mix of hope and real targets but there are players that are available on frees that would be brilliant signings.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby MTFCMAD » Mon May 13, 2019 2:30 pm

Captain Cunno wrote:My thoughts/Hope's next for season...

Some achievable others not as much...
(Based on selling CJ which is inevitable)

Bobby
(New back up)

Pearce Peter Clarke (free) Sweeney
(Preston) (Turner)

White Bishop Boateng (free) Benning
(O' Neill free) (Tomlinson) (mellis) (D Mcrory free)

Jamie Devitt (fee) Josh Morris (free)
(Khan) (N Thomas free yes him)

D Rowe (Fee)
(Davies)
(Graham)
Release
Logan
Mirfin
Sterling James


Transfer list
D Rose


Leaves W Atkinson A Smith to make a 24 man squad
(Unless I've missed someone which I probably have)

Others I would certainly be looking at budget dependant are

Leon Clarke free
Knight percival free
Marc Richard's free
M Blair free
George Maris free

In my opinion we lack MEN and leaders.

Peter Clarke would be a great signing , yes he's getting on but he's a leader.

The others are a mix of hope and real targets but there are players that are available on frees that would be brilliant signings.


Take it your not a fan of our youth academy then.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby oldweststander » Mon May 13, 2019 7:45 pm

Players come, players go, we have no say, clubs often have little say in who leaves when a player becomes unsettled.
As long as the money is right let those who want to go, leave.
In hindsight, we should have sold Rose.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby Jamie » Mon May 13, 2019 7:51 pm

arsene wengers coat wrote:
Jamie wrote:Wholesale hopefully won't happen. We need 5/6 changes to the squad and that's it. If Bish has another year in him we could see 9 of the team we could have now, injuries allowing...

White, Davies, Khan all to come back next season. Defence and Keeper is sorted. Keep Mellis, CJ, Tommo, Macca...


You quote the ideal scenario. I think we'll see a lot of the 'first team' leave, through loans terminating and through bids from other clubs, and what we're left with is all the squad players.

We may need a whole new attack line, 2 defenders, and 2 or 3 midfielders.

Wonder if this special relationship with forest provides us with anything.


If mind is ideal, yours is worst case... CJ may go but other than those on loan I just can't see many leaving. Do the likes of Pearce, Mal, Mellis wanna be L1 squad players? I doubt it... and it's not like we aren't paying good wages and looking after our boys.

Agree we need a whole new attack. But beyond that it's a back up wing back, a new Bish if one is available and maybe a swap for Khan / backup for Mellis. People like Atko, Rose can be replaced if he wants but they're steady squad players.

If we sign more than 7 new players will be shocked.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby MTFCMusings » Mon May 13, 2019 8:07 pm

Benning and Pearce would both start in a lot of L1 teams. Not much difference between bottom of L1 and top of L2.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby Amber Andy » Mon May 13, 2019 8:35 pm

Captain Cunno wrote:My thoughts/Hope's next for season...

Some achievable others not as much...
(Based on selling CJ which is inevitable)

Bobby
(New back up)

Pearce Peter Clarke (free) Sweeney
(Preston) (Turner)

White Bishop Boateng (free) Benning
(O' Neill free) (Tomlinson) (mellis) (D Mcrory free)

Jamie Devitt (fee) Josh Morris (free)
(Khan) (N Thomas free yes him)

D Rowe (Fee)
(Davies)
(Graham)
Release
Logan
Mirfin
Sterling James


Transfer list
D Rose


Leaves W Atkinson A Smith to make a 24 man squad
(Unless I've missed someone which I probably have)

Others I would certainly be looking at budget dependant are

Leon Clarke free
Knight percival free
Marc Richard's free
M Blair free
George Maris free

In my opinion we lack MEN and leaders.

Peter Clarke would be a great signing , yes he's getting on but he's a leader.

The others are a mix of hope and real targets but there are players that are available on frees that would be brilliant signings.

As I understand things, Bobby won't be fit until Oct / Nov which is a bit of a headache. He is also out of contract.

If Bobby is given a new contract we will still need two keepers in the first part of the season.

Maybe the answer is to keep Logan and also sign a keeper on loan until January.
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Re: Major surgery to the squad

Postby Captain Cunno » Mon May 13, 2019 10:29 pm

MTFCMAD wrote:
Captain Cunno wrote:My thoughts/Hope's next for season...

Some achievable others not as much...
(Based on selling CJ which is inevitable)

Bobby
(New back up)

Pearce Peter Clarke (free) Sweeney
(Preston) (Turner)

White Bishop Boateng (free) Benning
(O' Neill free) (Tomlinson) (mellis) (D Mcrory free)

Jamie Devitt (fee) Josh Morris (free)
(Khan) (N Thomas free yes him)

D Rowe (Fee)
(Davies)
(Graham)
Release
Logan
Mirfin
Sterling James


Transfer list
D Rose


Leaves W Atkinson A Smith to make a 24 man squad
(Unless I've missed someone which I probably have)

Others I would certainly be looking at budget dependant are

Leon Clarke free
Knight percival free
Marc Richard's free
M Blair free
George Maris free

In my opinion we lack MEN and leaders.

Peter Clarke would be a great signing , yes he's getting on but he's a leader.

The others are a mix of hope and real targets but there are players that are available on frees that would be brilliant signings.


Take it your not a fan of our youth academy then.





While ever our manager whoever that may be is under pressure to get promoted youth team players wont get a chance unless they are exceptional.
I would love nothing more than a host of youth team players in our 1st team.

Do we have an exceptional prospect at the moment MTFCMAD ?
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