fao Martin Shaw - video Carlisle v Mansfield 1965

[DazMondo]

Not sure if you know about this one...

[CassellsCap]

Wow , great scenes . If only crowds were like that today..

[ST4GS]

Wow, a comment linked to the youtube video mentioned we played Carlisle the day before at home!!!
I've just checked the fixtures for that season out of curiosity, what a weird set of fixtures.
We played two teams in consecutive games and several reverse fixtures were played within a week or so??
Anybody got any reasons for this assuming this was done before the fixture computer was invented?

Brentford games 2 & 4 (1 week apart)
Colchester games 6 & 8 (1 week apart)
Port Vale games 11 & 13 (1 week apart)
Luton Town games 15 & 17 (9 days apart)
Walsall games 26 & 27 (2 days apart)
QPR games 36 & 38 (11 days apart)
Carlisle games 44 & 45 (1 day apart!!!)

1) 22 Aug 1964 Bristol Rovers v Mansfield Town L 4-1 League Division Three
2) 24 Aug 1964 Mansfield Town v Brentford W 4-1 League Division Three
3) 29 Aug 1964 Mansfield Town v Oldham Athletic W 4-1 League Division Three
4) 31 Aug 1964 Brentford v Mansfield Town L 1-0 League Division Three
5) 05 Sep 1964 Exeter City v Mansfield Town W 2-3 League Division Three
6) 07 Sep 1964 Mansfield Town v Colchester United L 0-1 League Division Three
7) 12 Sep 1964 Mansfield Town v Bournemouth and Boscombe Athletic D 0-0 League Division Three
8) 14 Sep 1964 Colchester United v Mansfield Town W 0-1 League Division Three
9) 19 Sep 1964 Peterborough United v Mansfield Town W 4-5 League Division Three
10) 26 Sep 1964 Mansfield Town v Grimsby Town D 2-2 League Division Three
11) 28 Sep 1964 Mansfield Town v Port Vale D 2-2 League Division Three
12) 03 Oct 1964 Mansfield Town v Scunthorpe United W 3-2 League Division Three
13) 05 Oct 1964 Port Vale v Mansfield Town D 2-2 League Division Three
14) 10 Oct 1964 Watford v Mansfield Town L 3-1 League Division Three
15) 12 Oct 1964 Mansfield Town v Luton Town W 2-0 League Division Three
16) 17 Oct 1964 Mansfield Town v Workington L 3-5 League Division Three
17) 21 Oct 1964 Luton Town v Mansfield Town D 1-1 League Division Three
18) 24 Oct 1964 Hull City v Mansfield Town D 1-1 League Division Three
19) 26 Oct 1964 Mansfield Town v Barnsley W 4-3 League Division Three
20) 31 Oct 1964 Mansfield Town v Gillingham W 3-1 League Division Three
21) 03 Nov 1964 Shrewsbury Town v Mansfield Town D 1-1 League Division Three
22) 07 Nov 1964 Bristol City v Mansfield Town D 1-1 League Division Three
23) 28 Nov 1964 Mansfield Town v Reading W 2-1 League Division Three
24) 12 Dec 1964 Mansfield Town v Bristol Rovers W 3-0 League Division Three
25) 19 Dec 1964 Oldham Athletic v Mansfield Town L 2-1 League Division Three
26) 26 Dec 1964 Walsall v Mansfield Town L 2-1 League Division Three
27) 28 Dec 1964 Mansfield Town v Walsall W 2-0 League Division Three
28) 02 Jan 1965 Mansfield Town v Exeter City W 2-1 League Division Three
29) 16 Jan 1965 Bournemouth and Boscombe Athletic v Mansfield Town L 2-0 League Division Three
30) 30 Jan 1965 Southend United v Mansfield Town W 1-4 League Division Three
31) 06 Feb 1965 Grimsby Town v Mansfield Town D 1-1 League Division Three
32) 12 Feb 1965 Scunthorpe United v Mansfield Town W 0-1 League Division Three
33) 20 Feb 1965 Mansfield Town v Watford W 3-0 League Division Three
34) 26 Feb 1965 Workington v Mansfield Town W 1-5 League Division Three
35) 13 Mar 1965 Gillingham v Mansfield Town D 0-0 League Division Three
36) 15 Mar 1965 Mansfield Town v Queens Park Rangers W 8-1 League Division Three
37) 20 Mar 1965 Mansfield Town v Bristol City W 3-0 League Division Three
38) 26 Mar 1965 Queens Park Rangers v Mansfield Town L 2-0 League Division Three
39) 29 Mar 1965 Mansfield Town v Peterborough United D 0-0 League Division Three
40) 03 Apr 1965 Mansfield Town v Shrewsbury Town W 1-0 League Division Three
41) 05 Apr 1965 Mansfield Town v Southend United W 6-1 League Division Three
42) 10 Apr 1965 Reading v Mansfield Town L 2-1 League Division Three
43) 17 Apr 1965 Mansfield Town v Hull City W 2-1 League Division Three
44) 19 Apr 1965 Mansfield Town v Carlisle United W 2-0 League Division Three
45) 20 Apr 1965 Carlisle United v Mansfield Town L 3-0 League Division Three
46) 24 Apr 1965 Barnsley v Mansfield Town W 2-3

[Aspleystag]

I was 11 at the time and i vividly remember a report that carlisle had applied to join the scottish league to reduce their travel costs, but were refused and if they had we would have gone up into division two, but I cant find anything about it.

[part time pete]

The first four on your list are all midweek games and in them days they tried to get a lot of fixtures in before the bad weather, a bit like the Conference does now a days.

It was just easy to pair teams together for Midweek 1&2, 3&4, 5&6, 7&8

The Walsall games are just local at Christmas again a bit like conference games today.

Same as the Carlisle games at Easter. You played an Easter Saturday game but also played a 'double' with another team on two out of the three bank holidays (Good Friday, Easter Monday and Easter Tuesday). We never used to play on Good Friday as it wasn't a works shut down in them days.

The QPR home game was I think rescheduled after a postponement.

[Martin Shaw]

brilliant video. Not seen it before. Thanks very much indeed

[MTFCMAD]

I’m not too impressed with the goalkeeping.

[Sneag]

I’m not too impressed with the goalkeeping.

I thought that myself. It's was like an outfield player in nets.

[DazMondo]

I thought thet were playing rushbacks

[part time pete]

I’m not too impressed with the goalkeeping.

Are you saying my hero Colin Trehearn was useless.

[oldnic]

Was there for all the home games plus remember well the Barnsley game away. Treherne was a good keeper, Brian Phillips centre half. Magical memories.

[I am Spartacus]

Great find and excellent watch.

Surprised that no one on Stagsnet have complained about Carlisle’s ‘Rodney Paradesque’ pitch?

[Martian]

I went to the Hull home game and the Carlisle home game - both were all ticket I think - I was aged 11 - remember sitting on the path pitchside for the Hull game - no segregation of fans back then as far as I recall - we missed out on promotion on goal difference I think - what days they were

[ST4GS]

I’m not too impressed with the goalkeeping.

Are you saying my hero Colin Trehearn was useless.

After viewing this video I feel now is the time to totally withdraw my criticism of Jason White circa 2008, I now concede that you were indeed a half decent keeper. If we can find any clips of early 1970's games then Jason might be proved to be even be better than Rodney Rodney Arnold (I'll get my coat)
ps Was it Mr Cholmondley-Warner playing on the wing or Charlie Charlie Charles?

[Upper West]

I have sent the link to a guy I used to knock about with who was a Carlisle supporter.

I bet he was at the match.

[robeyre]

I went to the Hull home game and the Carlisle home game - both were all ticket I think - I was aged 11 - remember sitting on the path pitchside for the Hull game - no segregation of fans back then as far as I recall - we missed out on promotion on goal difference I think - what days they were

Sorry to be a pedant but we acually missed out on goal average. The fore runner of goal difference. It was something like goals conceded divided by goals scored. (or the reverse). Either way it was bloody close.
I went to last game of the season, away to Barnsley. We won 3-2 I think. A player called Bill Poynton(?) cleared off our line in last few minutes. Rumour was Bristol had lost and we would go up. Great preperation to he a stag for life. One minute up next minute down

[Martin Shaw]

you can read about the end of that season here:

https://www.mansfieldtown.net/news/2016 ... 60---1969/

(sorry that the photos appear to have been stripped out somehow)

[Sweden Stag]

Wow, a comment linked to the youtube video mentioned we played Carlisle the day before at home!!!
I've just checked the fixtures for that season out of curiosity, what a weird set of fixtures.
We played two teams in consecutive games and several reverse fixtures were played within a week or so??
Anybody got any reasons for this assuming this was done before the fixture computer was invented?

Brentford games 2 & 4 (1 week apart)
Colchester games 6 & 8 (1 week apart)
Port Vale games 11 & 13 (1 week apart)
Luton Town games 15 & 17 (9 days apart)
Walsall games 26 & 27 (2 days apart)
QPR games 36 & 38 (11 days apart)
Carlisle games 44 & 45 (1 day apart!!!)

1) 22 Aug 1964 Bristol Rovers v Mansfield Town L 4-1 League Division Three
2) 24 Aug 1964 Mansfield Town v Brentford W 4-1 League Division Three
3) 29 Aug 1964 Mansfield Town v Oldham Athletic W 4-1 League Division Three
4) 31 Aug 1964 Brentford v Mansfield Town L 1-0 League Division Three
5) 05 Sep 1964 Exeter City v Mansfield Town W 2-3 League Division Three
6) 07 Sep 1964 Mansfield Town v Colchester United L 0-1 League Division Three
7) 12 Sep 1964 Mansfield Town v Bournemouth and Boscombe Athletic D 0-0 League Division Three
8) 14 Sep 1964 Colchester United v Mansfield Town W 0-1 League Division Three
9) 19 Sep 1964 Peterborough United v Mansfield Town W 4-5 League Division Three
10) 26 Sep 1964 Mansfield Town v Grimsby Town D 2-2 League Division Three
11) 28 Sep 1964 Mansfield Town v Port Vale D 2-2 League Division Three
12) 03 Oct 1964 Mansfield Town v Scunthorpe United W 3-2 League Division Three
13) 05 Oct 1964 Port Vale v Mansfield Town D 2-2 League Division Three
14) 10 Oct 1964 Watford v Mansfield Town L 3-1 League Division Three
15) 12 Oct 1964 Mansfield Town v Luton Town W 2-0 League Division Three
16) 17 Oct 1964 Mansfield Town v Workington L 3-5 League Division Three
17) 21 Oct 1964 Luton Town v Mansfield Town D 1-1 League Division Three
18) 24 Oct 1964 Hull City v Mansfield Town D 1-1 League Division Three
19) 26 Oct 1964 Mansfield Town v Barnsley W 4-3 League Division Three
20) 31 Oct 1964 Mansfield Town v Gillingham W 3-1 League Division Three
21) 03 Nov 1964 Shrewsbury Town v Mansfield Town D 1-1 League Division Three
22) 07 Nov 1964 Bristol City v Mansfield Town D 1-1 League Division Three
23) 28 Nov 1964 Mansfield Town v Reading W 2-1 League Division Three
24) 12 Dec 1964 Mansfield Town v Bristol Rovers W 3-0 League Division Three
25) 19 Dec 1964 Oldham Athletic v Mansfield Town L 2-1 League Division Three
26) 26 Dec 1964 Walsall v Mansfield Town L 2-1 League Division Three
27) 28 Dec 1964 Mansfield Town v Walsall W 2-0 League Division Three
28) 02 Jan 1965 Mansfield Town v Exeter City W 2-1 League Division Three
29) 16 Jan 1965 Bournemouth and Boscombe Athletic v Mansfield Town L 2-0 League Division Three
30) 30 Jan 1965 Southend United v Mansfield Town W 1-4 League Division Three
31) 06 Feb 1965 Grimsby Town v Mansfield Town D 1-1 League Division Three
32) 12 Feb 1965 Scunthorpe United v Mansfield Town W 0-1 League Division Three
33) 20 Feb 1965 Mansfield Town v Watford W 3-0 League Division Three
34) 26 Feb 1965 Workington v Mansfield Town W 1-5 League Division Three
35) 13 Mar 1965 Gillingham v Mansfield Town D 0-0 League Division Three
36) 15 Mar 1965 Mansfield Town v Queens Park Rangers W 8-1 League Division Three
37) 20 Mar 1965 Mansfield Town v Bristol City W 3-0 League Division Three
38) 26 Mar 1965 Queens Park Rangers v Mansfield Town L 2-0 League Division Three
39) 29 Mar 1965 Mansfield Town v Peterborough United D 0-0 League Division Three
40) 03 Apr 1965 Mansfield Town v Shrewsbury Town W 1-0 League Division Three
41) 05 Apr 1965 Mansfield Town v Southend United W 6-1 League Division Three
42) 10 Apr 1965 Reading v Mansfield Town L 2-1 League Division Three
43) 17 Apr 1965 Mansfield Town v Hull City W 2-1 League Division Three
44) 19 Apr 1965 Mansfield Town v Carlisle United W 2-0 League Division Three
45) 20 Apr 1965 Carlisle United v Mansfield Town L 3-0 League Division Three
46) 24 Apr 1965 Barnsley v Mansfield Town W 2-3

It was so up to the 1967-68 season. Then we played Northampton away midweek early September, a few weeks later we played the Cobblers at home in midweek. The following midweek we played Peterborough away (early October), then a few weeks later Posh at home. Our Christmas fixtures were against Colchester (home on Boxing Day, away the following Saturday) and our Easter fixtures were paired against Orient (as Leyton Orient were called then). We played the Londoners away on Easter Monday 1968, then them at home following day. Just an example of pairings before our FA Cup giant-killing season. The QPR home game in 1964-65 was originally due to be played on January 9, 1965, but was postponed then. The Peterborough and Southend home fixtures in 1964-65 had also been postponed at the original dates (January 23 for Posh and March 6 for Southend)

[ST4GS]

you can read about the end of that season here:

https://www.mansfieldtown.net/news/2016 ... 60---1969/

(sorry that the photos appear to have been stripped out somehow)

Great read ref the 1965 season. Did we really beat Man City 5-2 away in the league cup? Before my time but 11v11 website has score at 5-3. Was anyone at that game? Anyone remember it. This game against the current champions seems to have gone under the radar.

[Martin Shaw]

it was 5-3, that's my error (update - now amended). Stags scorers were Chapman (2), Wagstaff, MacReady, Tyrer

Here's the match report:
https://stagsnet.net/vintage/reports/mancity64.htm

[Tippy Tappy Football]

Great find. Thanks DazMondo.

Team: 1. Treharne, 2. Nelson, 3. Humble, 4. Hall, 5. Gill, 6. Morris, 7. Gregson, 8. MacReady, 9. Curry, 10. Middleton, 11. Scanlon.

I'd love to see some footage of Ken Wagstaff playing for the Stags.