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West Stand Safety

Postby sunray » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:43 pm

Why was only one set of doors open at the South end of the West Stand at the end of the Newport game. Very congested getting out but had there been an emergency could have been a real problem.
Who decides which doors are chained and padlocked. Surely the safety officer should investigate and get sufficient doors open to avoid any crush. Hopefully there will be more open for the Colchester game.
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby wayno cordiniho » Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:57 pm

I thought the same, surely you can’t padlock a fire exit?!
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby Tre Cool » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:29 pm

The same doors were locked throughout pre season too. I thought maybe it was just because it is a lower crowd for pre season but if this is now the norm it's yet another great idea by our SAG...
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby halifaxstag » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:43 pm

I hadn’t noticed this at the pre season friendlies otherwise I would have done something about it.
I was absolutely shocked by this and took a photograph of the chain round the crash bars as well as the queue of people up the stairwell. I have emailed our esteemed safety officer asking for an explanation of procedures and how this could have happened.
It is things like this that lead to tragedy when something else happens. Many of the deaths at Valley Parade would not have happened if the exit gates had not been locked and there are numerous examples from non sporting venues. There are also instances of stairwell deaths- most notably the 1971 Ibrox disaster (66 deaths and over 200 injured) probably caused by someone falling and causing a chain reaction.
While some may think this is melodramatic, these things have happened.
I only emailed Mr Lakin today but will let you know of what response I get (if any!)
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby NevPlatini » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:50 pm

With regards to Health and Safety at work act NO means of emergengy escapr should be blocked or hindered. I have offered to help several times with regards to things like this but never been taken up kn the offer. FOC of course
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby halifaxstag » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:23 pm

NevPlatini wrote:With regards to Health and Safety at work act NO means of emergengy escapr should be blocked or hindered. I have offered to help several times with regards to things like this but never been taken up kn the offer. FOC of course

Absolutely true. I have been to various places (clubs, factories, etc.) where if they do use padlocks etc to secure premises then they have to display them on a labelled board with hooks before they are allowed to open. The modern way of securing fire exits is with magnetic locks which automatically realease if the fire alarm goes off but can also be released by a key switch or from a central control point.
In either case all fire routes should be checked for security or obstructions prior to letting staff/ members of the public into the premises.
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby EdwinstoweStag » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:28 pm

P45 for Mr Lakin
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby halifaxstag » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:45 pm

EdwinstoweStag wrote:P45 for Mr Lakin

Potentially-this could count as gross misconduct!
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby Spiritater » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:54 pm

halifaxstag wrote:
EdwinstoweStag wrote:P45 for Mr Lakin

Potentially-this could count as gross misconduct!


Feel a capacity reduction coming on if SAG get a sniff of it.
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby halifaxstag » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:20 pm

Spiritater wrote:
halifaxstag wrote:
EdwinstoweStag wrote:P45 for Mr Lakin

Potentially-this could count as gross misconduct!


Feel a capacity reduction coming on if SAG get a sniff of it.

Shush... I’ve left it in the hands of the club for now.
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby sunray » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:38 pm

Can a fan report issues to be tabled at the next SAG meeting or does the club write the agenda.
Is there a fan representative on the SAG
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby wayno cordiniho » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:41 pm

sunray wrote:Can a fan report issues to be tabled at the next SAG meeting or does the club write the agenda.
Is there a fan representative on the SAG


It’s run by the District/County councils I think, give the club a right of reply a remedy first though!
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby EdwinstoweStag » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:56 pm

sunray wrote:Can a fan report issues to be tabled at the next SAG meeting or does the club write the agenda.
Is there a fan representative on the SAG


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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby Rob » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:07 am

sunray wrote:Can a fan report issues to be tabled at the next SAG meeting or does the club write the agenda.
Is there a fan representative on the SAG


Yes, SSA have a rep, the most venerable Paul Taylor.
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby Dan » Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:10 am

The club ARE part of SAG! It’s made up of several groups. The club, police, fire, council etc. So technically SAG already know about it (well some of it anyway!)
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby EdwinstoweStag » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:08 am

They are being negligent then. Potentially criminally negligent.
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby bellwhiff » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:21 am

They shut the Phoenix Club down for this.
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby Kernow » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:41 am

Remember some exits were locked at the Bradford City fire, sort it ASAP.
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby PRL13 » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:58 am

I won`t go to any away games any more due to the crush risk at County and Chesterfield last season. Gross negligence springs to mind!
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby halifaxstag » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:08 am

Kernow wrote:Remember some exits were locked at the Bradford City fire, sort it ASAP.

As mentioned above and Ibrox stairway disaster also mentioned in my email to Alan Lakin
I would have been at Valley Parade if I hadn't been refereeing a 5 a side tournament that day. Knew one person who died and several with quite bad burns.
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby yellowstagsfan » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:10 am

Martin Any response from the club ?
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby Chimney » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:20 am

PRL13 wrote:I won`t go to any away games any more due to the crush risk at County and Chesterfield last season. Gross negligence springs to mind!


You don't go to away games anymore because of the crush risk ? Blimey

There is more chance of me going down a chimney and a squirrel running up my trouser leg and biting off my remaining testicle than being crushed in division 2

Although I do agree that locking any exit doors/gates is a scandal
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby Dp1976 » Mon Aug 06, 2018 10:31 am

I mentioned it to one of the group of stewards that were at the foot of the stairs and the response was "nothing to do with us" !! ok that answers that then
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby wayno cordiniho » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:37 pm

yellowstagsfan wrote:Martin Any response from the club ?


Why would Martin be the conduit for club responses?
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Re: West Stand Safety

Postby Showaddywaddy » Mon Aug 06, 2018 12:56 pm

Chimney wrote:
PRL13 wrote:I won`t go to any away games any more due to the crush risk at County and Chesterfield last season. Gross negligence springs to mind!


You don't go to away games anymore because of the crush risk ? Blimey

There is more chance of me going down a chimney and a squirrel running up my trouser leg and biting off my remaining testicle than being crushed in division 2

Although I do agree that locking any exit doors/gates is a scandal



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