bellwhiff wrote:Jamie is a Haslam apologist. Always was. Always will be.
He thinks Robert Mugabe is a lovely old gentleman, too
bellwhiff wrote:Jamie is a Haslam apologist. Always was. Always will be.
Dan wrote:He bought the club for £1 but took on the debt which was around £600,000 at the time. Not long after though Colin Calderwood was sold for £2.5m from Swindon to Spurs & we got around £650,000 for it. Debt wiped. He then put the prices up from £6 to £8 at a time when all the mines were closing & the area was in trouble.
I’m not going into it again but I had certain access to things back then & I tried & tried telling people on here about what was happening. Jamie was the main one who refused to believe anything & continued being H*slam’s apologist throughout even when we were non league & playing at Ilkeston. I even said we would end up in non league because I heard him say he was going to take us there to ‘punish the fans’ He called TEAM Mansfield & the SSA his ‘puppets’ & just basically took whatever he could get his hands on. I saw him numerous times walk into the office, take a wad of cash out of the till & tell the girls they were to ‘make sure the takings balance’. Most of us knew that the bus driver had hidden his car etc but he was covered in Vaseline & kept slipping away from justice. There’s not many people in this world I hate but he is right up there. I hope he suffers a very long slow & painful death.
Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I can see both sides of this but don't support Haslem for one minute.
However my question has always been 'If the club was in such great shape, how did a turd like Haslam manage to buy it for £1 in the first place'
Were we close to folding at that point anyway?
Amber Andy wrote:Sandy Pate Best Stag wrote:I can see both sides of this but don't support Haslem for one minute.
However my question has always been 'If the club was in such great shape, how did a turd like Haslam manage to buy it for £1 in the first place'
Were we close to folding at that point anyway?
Do you mean a right and a wrong side ?
Don't the antics speak for themselves or am I deluded?
SINA STAG wrote:Jamie n Norman the same person
Dan wrote:He bought the club for £1 but took on the debt which was around £600,000 at the time. Not long after though Colin Calderwood was sold for £2.5m from Swindon to Spurs & we got around £650,000 for it. Debt wiped. He then put the prices up from £6 to £8 at a time when all the mines were closing & the area was in trouble.
I’m not going into it again but I had certain access to things back then & I tried & tried telling people on here about what was happening. Jamie was the main one who refused to believe anything & continued being H*slam’s apologist throughout even when we were non league & playing at Ilkeston. I even said we would end up in non league because I heard him say he was going to take us there to ‘punish the fans’ He called TEAM Mansfield & the SSA his ‘puppets’ & just basically took whatever he could get his hands on. I saw him numerous times walk into the office, take a wad of cash out of the till & tell the girls they were to ‘make sure the takings balance’. Most of us knew that the bus driver had hidden his car etc but he was covered in Vaseline & kept slipping away from justice. There’s not many people in this world I hate but he is right up there. I hope he suffers a very long slow & painful death.
Jamie wrote:Standard responses as expected. If you read what I've put in clearly not trying to defend him or want he did. Don't let that get in the way of some good old fashioned hating though.
My point stands. Everyone said he sold Barker to make a few quid. Turns out it was to pay a police bill. Yes years prior he took more than his fair share, but I doubt he got much out of us that season - given the low crowds etc.
As usual you see and read what you want, not what I've actually said. I have no love for Haslam, he rinsed out club for years and left us on our knees. Not sure how I can be any clearer in saying that. Unlike many of you though I can at least try and look at things objectively.
Just to throw one last hook out there for all of you can't wait to bite... the history books will show he presided over the club for a number of years and during that time the stadium was redeveloped and we had our most successful time on the pitch at any point in the last 20+ years. Go on fire away
Jamie wrote:Standard responses as expected. If you read what I've put in clearly not trying to defend him or want he did. Don't let that get in the way of some good old fashioned hating though.
My point stands. Everyone said he sold Barker to make a few quid. Turns out it was to pay a police bill. Yes years prior he took more than his fair share, but I doubt he got much out of us that season - given the low crowds etc.
As usual you see and read what you want, not what I've actually said. I have no love for Haslam, he rinsed out club for years and left us on our knees. Not sure how I can be any clearer in saying that. Unlike many of you though I can at least try and look at things objectively.
Just to throw one last hook out there for all of you can't wait to bite... the history books will show he presided over the club for a number of years and during that time the stadium was redeveloped and we had our most successful time on the pitch at any point in the last 20+ years. Go on fire away
Jamie wrote:Standard responses as expected. If you read what I've put in clearly not trying to defend him or want he did. Don't let that get in the way of some good old fashioned hating though.
My point stands. Everyone said he sold Barker to make a few quid. Turns out it was to pay a police bill. Yes years prior he took more than his fair share, but I doubt he got much out of us that season - given the low crowds etc.
As usual you see and read what you want, not what I've actually said. I have no love for Haslam, he rinsed out club for years and left us on our knees. Not sure how I can be any clearer in saying that. Unlike many of you though I can at least try and look at things objectively.
Just to throw one last hook out there for all of you can't wait to bite... the history books will show he presided over the club for a number of years and during that time the stadium was redeveloped and we had our most successful time on the pitch at any point in the last 20+ years. Go on fire away
Jamie wrote:There's only so many times i can say this, perhaps this time you'll accept it.... I'm not defending him or anything he did!
Let the red mist clear for a second, and actually read the following carefully:
I get that his previous mismanagement / greed lead to the situation where fans boycotted, which in turn lead to a cash flow issue and having to sell Barker to pay the Police bill. I'm not disputing any of that. My point was pretty simple and pretty clear, everyone jumped on the sale AT THE TIME saying he was lining his own pockets again, that clearly wasn't the case. Yes he'd lined them previously, but everyone had already had there pound of flesh about that and hence some decided to boycott. It doesn't change that you were wrong about the reason Barker was sold.
I've never said Haslam for good for our club, or that he didn't rinse the coffers dry. My main argument back in the day was that it was his business to do with what he likes, and if fans didn't like it then we should pool together and buy it from him. I tried to get a fans movement going, with a view to setting up a multi shareholder ownership model. Why would i do all that if i loved Haslam and thought he was good for the club?
Seriously, i get you all hate him (yeah, probably more than i did), but the lack of being able to properly debate things around this issue seems to be as much of a problem now as it was back in the day. Leave the personal abuse to one side, you should know by now its water of a ducks back, but does spoil the forum experience for everyone.
Jamie you are splitting hairs. It's about cause and effect.Jamie wrote:There's only so many times i can say this, perhaps this time you'll accept it.... I'm not defending him or anything he did!
Let the red mist clear for a second, and actually read the following carefully:
I get that his previous mismanagement / greed lead to the situation where fans boycotted, which in turn lead to a cash flow issue and having to sell Barker to pay the Police bill. I'm not disputing any of that. My point was pretty simple and pretty clear, everyone jumped on the sale AT THE TIME saying he was lining his own pockets again, that clearly wasn't the case. Yes he'd lined them previously, but everyone had already had there pound of flesh about that and hence some decided to boycott. It doesn't change that you were wrong about the reason Barker was sold.
I've never said Haslam for good for our club, or that he didn't rinse the coffers dry. My main argument back in the day was that it was his business to do with what he likes, and if fans didn't like it then we should pool together and buy it from him. I tried to get a fans movement going, with a view to setting up a multi shareholder ownership model. Why would i do all that if i loved Haslam and thought he was good for the club?
Seriously, i get you all hate him (yeah, probably more than i did), but the lack of being able to properly debate things around this issue seems to be as much of a problem now as it was back in the day. Leave the personal abuse to one side, you should know by now its water of a ducks back, but does spoil the forum experience for everyone.
gazza1988 wrote:Jamie, I get the feeling from some of your posts you are a contrarian. Always have to have the unpopular opinion or you don't feel like the smartest guy in the room.
Yes, technically, you are correct. Haslam saved us from the brink of oblivion. However you are missing key points.
1. had the club folded Haslam would own a plot of land that can only be used for sports due to the covenant.
2. By "saving" the club he could continue to pay himself whatever he wanted in rent. The only other thing he could have done was rent the ground to another local sporting body, can you name one that could pay rent as much as MTFC could? Plus had the club folded Barker would have had to leave anyway.
3. Haslam had the cash to inject into the club to pay this bill, he chose to sell one of our better players instead.
I firmly believe that had the covenant not been in place there would be no club left for us to support. The Duke of Portland has done more for Mansfield Town FC than Haslam ever did.
Please, just see that Haslam was out for himself and any "good" that he did always served himself better.
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