PaulG wrote:It's remarkably easy to be ambitious with other peoples' money! If the Radfords were to put out a statement today to the effect that they have no intention of paying big money or oversized salaries for new players this summer, would you stop supporting Stags? To suggest that that would indicate a lack of ambition would be ridiculous, given the huge investment in the younger teams and the new training facilities. That's where future success, and sustainable success, lies. In response to one or two of the earlier posts, I've been supporting the Stags since 1963, and a season ticket holder since 1973, so time isn't on my side either! But some of the greatest satisfaction I've enjoyed was in watching a team made up of half a dozen former youth team players and an unknown striker (Chris Greenacre). It seems to me that the Radfords have been carefully building the infrastructure for sustainable success based on the development and ultimate sale on of the area's better young players. Another spending gamble like last summer could put all that at risk. Have a little patience!
arsene wengers coat wrote:PaulG wrote:It's remarkably easy to be ambitious with other peoples' money! If the Radfords were to put out a statement today to the effect that they have no intention of paying big money or oversized salaries for new players this summer, would you stop supporting Stags? To suggest that that would indicate a lack of ambition would be ridiculous, given the huge investment in the younger teams and the new training facilities. That's where future success, and sustainable success, lies. In response to one or two of the earlier posts, I've been supporting the Stags since 1963, and a season ticket holder since 1973, so time isn't on my side either! But some of the greatest satisfaction I've enjoyed was in watching a team made up of half a dozen former youth team players and an unknown striker (Chris Greenacre). It seems to me that the Radfords have been carefully building the infrastructure for sustainable success based on the development and ultimate sale on of the area's better young players. Another spending gamble like last summer could put all that at risk. Have a little patience!
I cant disagree. But wanting patience for success and hopimg that when success dies come its via a team full of local lads might be a bit naive. I agree that the owners are doing what they can to ensure it happens but there are no guarentees this long term vision will work. In the meantime we need to look after our primary function, which is at professional mens XI level and this is where we need to invest. To be a promotion threat we need goals, they tend to cost money through either wages or transfer fees.
arsene wengers coat wrote:MutinyOnTheCounty wrote:tillydog123 wrote:Yes good post from Paul G but only problem is that, on behalf of many our long serving fans like myself (been watching Stags since late 60's) and we are still waiting for that elusive rise in the pyramid so I think to say we are children craving sweets or looking for instant gratification after that amount of time is a little bit OTT but your points are valid and do make sense.
I think he's talking about a small minority, Tilly. But, those he refers to are a bit blindingly obvious!
I'd love us to win the league next season, but if we add youth to the line-ups in any significant amount then we risk that till they're strong enough. It'd be interesting to set up a poll to see what fans think top priority is for next season: promotion, bringing on the youth team, or both
I bet i can guess how some would vote
We've been poor to mediocre for a long time now. Some fans who begrudge others for wanting more than what the last 20 years has offered (one season in L1) is a sad state of affairs and shows the lack of ambition and that some fans are cautious over changing the status quo. We all need to be ambitious.
Say what you will about last summer under Evans, the transfers brought us together and we were positive aboit the season. unfortunately it didnt work out but it seems that the dissappointment has left an indelible mark on some fans who now simply refuse to either get excited or dare to speculate over transfers.
The youth players will come through when they are good enough and physically ready. In the meantime we need some decent signings and quickly as they need to be involved with and on show in Portugal.
So. Who are we signing this week, MTFStag?
MutinyOnTheCounty wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:MutinyOnTheCounty wrote:tillydog123 wrote:Yes good post from Paul G but only problem is that, on behalf of many our long serving fans like myself (been watching Stags since late 60's) and we are still waiting for that elusive rise in the pyramid so I think to say we are children craving sweets or looking for instant gratification after that amount of time is a little bit OTT but your points are valid and do make sense.
I think he's talking about a small minority, Tilly. But, those he refers to are a bit blindingly obvious!
I'd love us to win the league next season, but if we add youth to the line-ups in any significant amount then we risk that till they're strong enough. It'd be interesting to set up a poll to see what fans think top priority is for next season: promotion, bringing on the youth team, or both
I bet i can guess how some would vote
We've been poor to mediocre for a long time now. Some fans who begrudge others for wanting more than what the last 20 years has offered (one season in L1) is a sad state of affairs and shows the lack of ambition and that some fans are cautious over changing the status quo. We all need to be ambitious.
Say what you will about last summer under Evans, the transfers brought us together and we were positive aboit the season. unfortunately it didnt work out but it seems that the dissappointment has left an indelible mark on some fans who now simply refuse to either get excited or dare to speculate over transfers.
The youth players will come through when they are good enough and physically ready. In the meantime we need some decent signings and quickly as they need to be involved with and on show in Portugal.
So. Who are we signing this week, MTFStag?
Think you might have missed my point, AWC.
Every fan in the club wants more than what we've had in the last 20 years, and i don't think you honestly believe there are any who wouldn't? On that front we are totally unified - not a single one of us begrudge our fellow fan from daring to dream in hoping we make League 1 or higher.....
The whole crux of my point is, if it doesn't go as planned which fans will have their sharpening stones out ready?
Dreaming of higher league status is what drives us most of the time. Without it I suspect our fans would have dwindled yet further a long time ago, if we didn't all share that belief that one day, just one day, we could elevate ourselves higher and rekindle some of the magic we once witnessed and gave us this irresistible itch. The passion of our fans is not questionable, imo. But if this passion is forged into anger and frustration it can be a hellishly destructive device - one that occasionally goes against the greater good of the club and its future.
Youth is perfect example here - we'd all love to see the local lad stuff the Spires or the guy 'down the road' fire the winning goal to promotion, but for it to happen may take a bit of patience from us fans. If the promotion campaign goes off track because of ex-youth team inexperience, will we have the guts to stick it out, or vent our disappointment at the manager for picking these guys in the first place?
Youth team is our future, but it does come with a potential cost in the short term.
abc wrote:MutinyOnTheCounty wrote:arsene wengers coat wrote:MutinyOnTheCounty wrote:tillydog123 wrote:Yes good post from Paul G but only problem is that, on behalf of many our long serving fans like myself (been watching Stags since late 60's) and we are still waiting for that elusive rise in the pyramid so I think to say we are children craving sweets or looking for instant gratification after that amount of time is a little bit OTT but your points are valid and do make sense.
I think he's talking about a small minority, Tilly. But, those he refers to are a bit blindingly obvious!
I'd love us to win the league next season, but if we add youth to the line-ups in any significant amount then we risk that till they're strong enough. It'd be interesting to set up a poll to see what fans think top priority is for next season: promotion, bringing on the youth team, or both
I bet i can guess how some would vote
We've been poor to mediocre for a long time now. Some fans who begrudge others for wanting more than what the last 20 years has offered (one season in L1) is a sad state of affairs and shows the lack of ambition and that some fans are cautious over changing the status quo. We all need to be ambitious.
Say what you will about last summer under Evans, the transfers brought us together and we were positive aboit the season. unfortunately it didnt work out but it seems that the dissappointment has left an indelible mark on some fans who now simply refuse to either get excited or dare to speculate over transfers.
The youth players will come through when they are good enough and physically ready. In the meantime we need some decent signings and quickly as they need to be involved with and on show in Portugal.
So. Who are we signing this week, MTFStag?
Think you might have missed my point, AWC.
Every fan in the club wants more than what we've had in the last 20 years, and i don't think you honestly believe there are any who wouldn't? On that front we are totally unified - not a single one of us begrudge our fellow fan from daring to dream in hoping we make League 1 or higher.....
The whole crux of my point is, if it doesn't go as planned which fans will have their sharpening stones out ready?
Dreaming of higher league status is what drives us most of the time. Without it I suspect our fans would have dwindled yet further a long time ago, if we didn't all share that belief that one day, just one day, we could elevate ourselves higher and rekindle some of the magic we once witnessed and gave us this irresistible itch. The passion of our fans is not questionable, imo. But if this passion is forged into anger and frustration it can be a hellishly destructive device - one that occasionally goes against the greater good of the club and its future.
Youth is perfect example here - we'd all love to see the local lad stuff the Spires or the guy 'down the road' fire the winning goal to promotion, but for it to happen may take a bit of patience from us fans. If the promotion campaign goes off track because of ex-youth team inexperience, will we have the guts to stick it out, or vent our disappointment at the manager for picking these guys in the first place?
Youth team is our future, but it does come with a potential cost in the short term.
It's only the future if any of them are good enough and strong enough.
STAGS FOR LIFE wrote::lol:
abc wrote:STAGS FOR LIFE wrote::lol:
Telll that to some on here who seem fixated with getting the youth teamers in the first team no matter what. Oh and Edwinstowe with some of the bullshite you put on here I would get off of that high horse of yours.
We need to put an offer in for that dodgy referee instead. We cannot fail with the gifts he hands out to his favourites!!m1cksut wrote:DF last night confirmed that he is definitely NOT signing Raheem Sterling, despite man city offering £80 million to take him off of their hands!
bellwhiff wrote:Pipe down.
yorkshire stag wrote:bellwhiff wrote:Pipe down.
i shall not Pipe down, you are happy in your hole that’s great for you, however i’m starting to get a little uncomfortable with Flippys lack of
A. Communication
B. Lack of transfer activities both in & out the club
i would like to see at least an interview with the manager keeping that line of contact going
We all want a successful season don’t we?
i’m sure a few signings would boost season ticket sales which must be good news
west country stag wrote:yorkshire stag wrote:bellwhiff wrote:Pipe down.
i shall not Pipe down, you are happy in your hole that’s great for you, however i’m starting to get a little uncomfortable with Flippys lack of
A. Communication
B. Lack of transfer activities both in & out the club
i would like to see at least an interview with the manager keeping that line of contact going
We all want a successful season don’t we?
i’m sure a few signings would boost season ticket sales which must be good news
I agree Yorkie !!
yorkshire stag wrote:bellwhiff wrote:Pipe down.
i shall not Pipe down, you are happy in your hole that’s great for you, however i’m starting to get a little uncomfortable with Flippys lack of
A. Communication
B. Lack of transfer activities both in & out the club
i would like to see at least an interview with the manager keeping that line of contact going
We all want a successful season don’t we?
i’m sure a few signings would boost season ticket sales which must be good news
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