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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby steve-hymas » Wed May 02, 2018 12:09 pm

I hope people understand Woburn lane is a 50/50 project between myself and JR via our building company Mansfield Town Developments in which we are partners.We are generating money through this business for Woburn etc .Mark Burton is also putting a lot of time and money through his business on the project .So a team effort .Up the stags !
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby jeff » Wed May 02, 2018 12:43 pm

Steve if the project isn't tied up we are keen to help if we can.
PM me.
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby old ram stag » Wed May 02, 2018 12:44 pm

well done to all involved a massive move forward for the club.
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby Dave Wayne » Wed May 02, 2018 1:44 pm

MOTG wrote:
Dave Wayne wrote:
MOTG wrote:Who's financing it Mansfield Homes Ltd ? In other words MDC as they already own a couple of Travel Lodges( The Gala Bingo Site)

You might want to research things a bit better before you use them to have a dig at MDC, otherwise you could end up looking like a fool. ;)


To the best of my knowledge MDC currently or did own Edinburgh Learmouth Travel Lodge and Doncaster Lakeside Travel Lodge and Mansfield Homes are a company set up by MDC currently developing a site on Windmill Lane in the town to build houses.
If Mansfield Homes can build houses couldn't they finance and build a Travel Lodge at the Gala Bingo Site Dave?

At the end of the day I hope MTFC get thier Hotel project up and running first or am I being a fool to suggest this too

Yes they do still own the 2 Travelodges but these were existing buildings that were bought as investment properties with a good rental yield.
Buying these is a very different matter to being involved in a 'new build'.
Even if MDC were to be involved it would not be through Mansfield Homes (the clue is in the name).
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby Spiritater » Wed May 02, 2018 1:54 pm

Spiritater wrote:Went for a gander at Woburn Rd on my way to t'Prolapse tonight and the new 3G looks absolutely smashing, all been enclosed with fencing and looks a proper pukka instalment. Net n stuff in place. JR's also having an all seater stand put on site which is nice for folk wanting to watch the YT and U21s/ressies in comfort. It'll be a credit and massive asset to t'club.
Maybe we should name it the Radord Centre in his honour.



Sorry Steve, should've said the Radford and Hymas Centre.
Or probably just best to call it Woburn.

Looks terrific though, and fair play to all the time, money n effort you've put in to t'club over the last 8-9 years or so.

The YT side of things will begin to bear fruit soon as it seems to get stronger year on year.
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby oldweststander » Wed May 02, 2018 2:04 pm

MDC do not build hotels but have purchased successful working hotel buildings.
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby bigalstag » Thu May 03, 2018 12:34 am

Money no object, unless it's to be spent locally.
They let there own town centre die while regenerating countless others.
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby Dave Wayne » Thu May 03, 2018 7:37 am

bigalstag wrote:Money no object, unless it's to be spent locally.
They let there own town centre die while regenerating countless others.

How is buying an existing property regeneration ?
Money is exactly the object. Due to the extensive funding cuts imposed by the government over the last 8 years, other sources of income have had to be found in order to protect existing services.
Without these property investments there would have to be cuts in services or increases in council tax - what would be your choice ?
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby oldweststander » Thu May 03, 2018 9:31 am

Well said Dave, some don't like the truth, too prepared to accept the negative stories.
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby Martin Shaw » Thu May 03, 2018 9:42 am

steve-hymas wrote:I hope people understand Woburn lane is a 50/50 project between myself and JR via our building company Mansfield Town Developments in which we are partners.We are generating money through this business for Woburn etc .Mark Burton is also putting a lot of time and money through his business on the project .So a team effort .Up the stags !

well done and thanks to Steve and everyone. The hard work is appreciated!
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby MutinyOnTheCounty » Thu May 03, 2018 12:09 pm

Dave Wayne wrote:
bigalstag wrote:Money no object, unless it's to be spent locally.
They let there own town centre die while regenerating countless others.

How is buying an existing property regeneration ?
Money is exactly the object. Due to the extensive funding cuts imposed by the government over the last 8 years, other sources of income have had to be found in order to protect existing services.
Without these property investments there would have to be cuts in services or increases in council tax - what would be your choice ?



While that may be true, it doesn't really account for the decades before those 8 years?

With living away from Mansfield i'm probably wrong, but whenever i drive around there it seems quite underdeveloped / neglected, and has been for many years
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby yorkshire stag » Thu May 03, 2018 12:58 pm

that’s the spirit
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby MutinyOnTheCounty » Thu May 03, 2018 1:25 pm

yorkshire stag wrote:that’s the spirit


I stole your enthusiasm while you were looking the other way, Yorkie ;)

Oh, i almost forgot to add a tick tock! :P
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby crazystagdad » Thu May 03, 2018 2:27 pm

well done steve
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby SINA STAG » Thu May 03, 2018 9:30 pm

Spiritater wrote:
SINA STAG wrote:
Spiritater wrote:Went for a gander at Woburn Rd on my way to t'Prolapse tonight and the new 3G looks absolutely smashing, all been enclosed with fencing and looks a proper pukka instalment. Net n stuff in place. JR's also having an all seater stand put on site which is nice for folk wanting to watch the YT and U21s/ressies in comfort. It'll be a credit and massive asset to t'club.
Maybe we should name it the Radord Centre in his honour.



Did you go to the game Spiro? The attendance said around 4500 did it seem that many? Any protests against agent Carson ?




Yes bud was there to see the curtain come down on The Football League years at the dip :D

To be fair the crowd looked about right...ish but then one can't really judge as it's not my own ground and you can generally get the feeling of crowd numbers in your own.
Was with the 78 Port fans sat in the bit we had extra in our visit, the NS was unused which is a sign of things to come in the Vanaramarama next year.

'Carson Out!!', chants broke out from time to time during the game which Newport played in Raybans, Bermuda shorts and with their IPhone headphones on.
They had a 1 min break to top up their spray tans also ready for their jollies too.

I left with a minute to go, but at full time I could hear the chants of 'CARSON (God bless him :D ) OUT' rise again.


Cheers Spiro for your report very professional Martin should be worried
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby Spiritater » Thu May 03, 2018 9:35 pm

Amazing what you can do on t'Wii bud. :lol:
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby Dave Wayne » Thu May 03, 2018 10:45 pm

MutinyOnTheCounty wrote:
Dave Wayne wrote:
bigalstag wrote:Money no object, unless it's to be spent locally.
They let there own town centre die while regenerating countless others.

How is buying an existing property regeneration ?
Money is exactly the object. Due to the extensive funding cuts imposed by the government over the last 8 years, other sources of income have had to be found in order to protect existing services.
Without these property investments there would have to be cuts in services or increases in council tax - what would be your choice ?



While that may be true, it doesn't really account for the decades before those 8 years?

With living away from Mansfield i'm probably wrong, but whenever i drive around there it seems quite underdeveloped / neglected, and has been for many years

I wasn't trying to be political or comment on the performance of the council, just simply pointing out the misconceptions that people were posting just to have a dig at MDC. The 'out of the district' property investments have all taken place since the austerity cuts have been imposed on local authorities over the last 8 years. What happened before then is irrelevant to this thread.
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby MOTG » Fri May 04, 2018 10:36 pm

Dave Wayne wrote:
MOTG wrote:
Dave Wayne wrote:
MOTG wrote:Who's financing it Mansfield Homes Ltd ? In other words MDC as they already own a couple of Travel Lodges( The Gala Bingo Site)

You might want to research things a bit better before you use them to have a dig at MDC, otherwise you could end up looking like a fool. ;)


To the best of my knowledge MDC currently or did own Edinburgh Learmouth Travel Lodge and Doncaster Lakeside Travel Lodge and Mansfield Homes are a company set up by MDC currently developing a site on Windmill Lane in the town to build houses.
If Mansfield Homes can build houses couldn't they finance and build a Travel Lodge at the Gala Bingo Site Dave?

At the end of the day I hope MTFC get thier Hotel project up and running first or am I being a fool to suggest this too

Yes they do still own the 2 Travelodges but these were existing buildings that were bought as investment properties with a good rental yield.
Buying these is a very different matter to being involved in a 'new build'.
Even if MDC were to be involved it would not be through Mansfield Homes (the clue is in the name).


Dave my initial comment was made "Tongue in cheek" However if MDC did get involved in a " New Build" Hotel and they needed additional finances couldn't this be via Mansfield Homes ?
And as for the " Clue is in the name" comment then do you think Hymas Homes specifically are Houses with none of Steve's money helping to finance MTFC ?
To me Mansfield Homes is just a trading name . To the best of my knowledge I am not aware that conditions stipulate that money generated from Mansfield Homes cannot be used to help other services within MDC, however I could be wrong, maybe you know Dave ?
It doesn't come across very well Dave when some folk are told " There's Nowt in't pot " by MDC repeatedly for a service and then discover MDC have spent millions on properties.(I do understand why)

Anyway enough of that ! Let's look forward to tomorrow's game and hope our mighty Stags make the play offs !
I have a funny feeling there will be another twist in tomorrow's matches in our favour.
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A big "Well done" and thank you to both the Radford's and to Steve Hymas regarding the Woburn Lane facilities
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby MOTG » Fri May 04, 2018 10:41 pm

oldweststander wrote:MDC do not build hotels but have purchased successful working hotel buildings.


MDC do not build hotels at present correct, but maybe in the future?
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby ianb » Sat May 05, 2018 12:09 am

MOTG wrote:MDC do not build hotels at present correct, but maybe in the future?


Except when someone* and their cronies set up their own company, and MDC "award" them the contract as the preferred bidder....

*elected official, allegedly?
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby EdwinstoweStag » Sat May 05, 2018 8:44 am

steve-hymas wrote:I hope people understand Woburn lane is a 50/50 project between myself and JR via our building company Mansfield Town Developments in which we are partners.We are generating money through this business for Woburn etc .Mark Burton is also putting a lot of time and money through his business on the project .So a team effort .Up the stags !


It looks excellent, Steve.

.....and can I complement you on the quality of the car park!
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby DoomMerchant » Sat May 05, 2018 8:56 am

Yep, I popped in to have a look last Sunday with my daughter (on our way home from her playing rugby for Mansfield away at ch*****field) and it looks like it's going to be magnificent. The 3G pitch looks genuinely top level.

It's going to be a fantastic facility and is as big an indicator yet of Steve's, the Radford's and the director's ongoing dedication to the club. The only real negativity around the club is the grumblings of some supporters.
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby Woodclanger 1 » Sat May 05, 2018 9:27 am

DoomMerchant wrote:Yep, I popped in to have a look last Sunday with my daughter (on our way home from her playing rugby for Mansfield away at ch*****field) and it looks like it's going to be magnificent. The 3G pitch looks genuinely top level.

It's going to be a fantastic facility and is as big an indicator yet of Steve's, the Radford's and the director's ongoing dedication to the club. The only real negativity around the club is the grumblings of some supporters.


Are you grumbling about people grumbling? :lol:
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby Dave Wayne » Sat May 05, 2018 9:33 am

MOTG wrote:
Dave Wayne wrote:
MOTG wrote:
Dave Wayne wrote:
MOTG wrote:Who's financing it Mansfield Homes Ltd ? In other words MDC as they already own a couple of Travel Lodges( The Gala Bingo Site)

You might want to research things a bit better before you use them to have a dig at MDC, otherwise you could end up looking like a fool. ;)


To the best of my knowledge MDC currently or did own Edinburgh Learmouth Travel Lodge and Doncaster Lakeside Travel Lodge and Mansfield Homes are a company set up by MDC currently developing a site on Windmill Lane in the town to build houses.
If Mansfield Homes can build houses couldn't they finance and build a Travel Lodge at the Gala Bingo Site Dave?

At the end of the day I hope MTFC get thier Hotel project up and running first or am I being a fool to suggest this too

Yes they do still own the 2 Travelodges but these were existing buildings that were bought as investment properties with a good rental yield.
Buying these is a very different matter to being involved in a 'new build'.
Even if MDC were to be involved it would not be through Mansfield Homes (the clue is in the name).


Dave my initial comment was made "Tongue in cheek" However if MDC did get involved in a " New Build" Hotel and they needed additional finances couldn't this be via Mansfield Homes ?
And as for the " Clue is in the name" comment then do you think Hymas Homes specifically are Houses with none of Steve's money helping to finance MTFC ?
To me Mansfield Homes is just a trading name . To the best of my knowledge I am not aware that conditions stipulate that money generated from Mansfield Homes cannot be used to help other services within MDC, however I could be wrong, maybe you know Dave ?
It doesn't come across very well Dave when some folk are told " There's Nowt in't pot " by MDC repeatedly for a service and then discover MDC have spent millions on properties.(I do understand why)

Anyway enough of that ! Let's look forward to tomorrow's game and hope our mighty Stags make the play offs !
I have a funny feeling there will be another twist in tomorrow's matches in our favour.
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A big "Well done" and thank you to both the Radford's and to Steve Hymas regarding the Woburn Lane facilities

A quick google search brings up this :
The aim of Mansfield Homes is to meet the local need to build new houses around Mansfield to meet the demands identified in the draft Local Plan.

The sole reason for setting up the company is to meet the housing need and generate income. Yes this money can then be used to fund local services, but hotel building is not a local service.
It is true that there is "nowt in't pot" for services, hence the need to generate income. All councils have investments for this purpose. If you spend all the money on services there is nothing left. If you invest the money then you create more money so there has to be a balancing act between expenditure and investment. With interest rates having been so low for so long, traditional investments with banks no longer provide the returns that they did. Check the MDC accounts and you will see that income from these types of investments has fallen massively in the last 10 years. Therefore, money that would have been invested in this way in the past has now been invested into commercial properties such as the travelodges in order to generate income to fund essential services.
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Re: Woburn Lane & Hotel Update

Postby old ram stag » Sat May 05, 2018 10:57 am

Steve will there be an open day at Woburn?
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