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Re: Boston Utd

Postby MutinyOnTheCounty » Tue May 23, 2017 11:25 am

As i remember it, Palmer always blamed anyone but himself for poor results.

His style of play was so negative and boring they handed out free defibrillators during HT against Counteh
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Big yella » Tue May 23, 2017 4:14 pm

SINA STAG wrote:
tibby wrote:Didn't Carlton bring in some talented players I seem to recall?



Stags fans tar him with the same brush as Hasalam because Carlton made his speech sticking up for his bestie on MOTD against Middlesbrough in the FA Cup

Nothing to do with how good of a player manger he was or wasn't As a manager n playing to be honest I thought he was ok but eh ho that's my opinion n like ass holes we all have one

Absolute horsesheite. Carlton Palmer has the worst win ratio of any manager in the history of Mansfield Town football club. And that isn't opinion it's fact. Less than 25%. He was awful.

What's more, to back up how awful he was he only had a 27% win rate at Stockport. A thoroughly shocking manager.
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:07 am

Article on Adam Murray from Planet Football

http://www.planetfootball.com/in-depth/ ... on-united/

A few interesting quotes about Mansfield:

“It was an average group of players that we had to get the best out of to keep a team that if we didn’t keep in the Football League would probably have spiralled down the leagues,” continues Murray.

"Mansfield had the fourth lowest budget in the division, but despite this they improved and finished 12th in the 2015-16 campaign, their highest position in over 10 years."
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Captain Cunno » Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:32 pm

He ought to be Theresa Mays spin doctor
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby tibby » Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:37 pm

Big yella wrote:
SINA STAG wrote:
tibby wrote:Didn't Carlton bring in some talented players I seem to recall?



Stags fans tar him with the same brush as Hasalam because Carlton made his speech sticking up for his bestie on MOTD against Middlesbrough in the FA Cup

Nothing to do with how good of a player manger he was or wasn't As a manager n playing to be honest I thought he was ok but eh ho that's my opinion n like ass holes we all have one


Absolute horsesheite. Carlton Palmer has the worst win ratio of any manager in the history of Mansfield Town football club. And that isn't opinion it's fact. Less than 25%. He was awful.

What's more, to back up how awful he was he only had a 27% win rate at Stockport. A thoroughly shocking manager.


not opinion, fact is it? Seems he was actually 7th worst manager in the clubs history, and that seems to be a FACT

7. Carlton Palmer
Pl:38, W:10, D:13, L:15, Percentage of games won: 31.0%.

http://www.stagsnet.net/vintage/reports ... nagers.htm
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Big yella » Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:19 pm

tibby wrote:
Big yella wrote:
SINA STAG wrote:
tibby wrote:Didn't Carlton bring in some talented players I seem to recall?



Stags fans tar him with the same brush as Hasalam because Carlton made his speech sticking up for his bestie on MOTD against Middlesbrough in the FA Cup

Nothing to do with how good of a player manger he was or wasn't As a manager n playing to be honest I thought he was ok but eh ho that's my opinion n like ass holes we all have one


Absolute horsesheite. Carlton Palmer has the worst win ratio of any manager in the history of Mansfield Town football club. And that isn't opinion it's fact. Less than 25%. He was awful.

What's more, to back up how awful he was he only had a 27% win rate at Stockport. A thoroughly shocking manager.


not opinion, fact is it? Seems he was actually 7th worst manager in the clubs history, and that seems to be a FACT

7. Carlton Palmer
Pl:38, W:10, D:13, L:15, Percentage of games won: 31.0%.

http://www.stagsnet.net/vintage/reports ... nagers.htm

Name Nat From To Record
P W D Win %
Teddy Davison England 1926 1928 2 1 0 1 50.00%
Jack Hickling England 1928 1933 110 30 25 55 27.27%
Charlie Bell Scotland 1935 1935 31 8 7 16 25.81%
Harold Wightman England 1936 1936 19 7 5 7 36.84%
Harry Parkes England May 1936 January 1938 68 29 14 25 42.65%
Roy Goodall England 1945 1949 139 47 36 56 33.81%
Freddie Steele England 1949 1951 123 61 31 31 49.59%
George Jobey England 1952 1953 70 28 17 25 40.00%
Stan Mercer England 1953 1955 77 32 16 29 41.56%
Charlie Mitten England February 1956 June 1958 115 49 22 44 42.61%
Sam Weaver England June 1958 January 1960 73 22 17 34 30.14%
Raich Carter England January 1960 March 1963 151 63 23 65 41.72%
Tommy Cummings England March 1963 1964 201 87 40 74 43.28%
Tommy Eggleston England 1967 1970 157 59 38 60 37.58%
Jock Basford England 1970 1971 66 21 22 23 31.82%
Danny Williams England 1971 1974 123 41 42 40 33.33%
Dave Smith Scotland 1974 1976 113 54 32 27 47.79%
Peter Morris England 1976 1978 83 36 18 29 43.37%
Billy Bingham Northern Ireland February 1978 1979 64 17 23 24 26.56%
Mick Jones England 1979 1981 107 37 27 43 34.58%
Stuart Boam England July 1981 January 1983 77 25 15 37 32.47%
Ian Greaves England January 1983 6 February 1989 311 101 99 111 32.48%
George Foster England February 1989 August 1993 217 68 50 99 31.34%
Andy King England August 1993 July 1996 149 51 45 53 34.23%
Steve Parkin England July 1996 1999 143 54 41 48 37.76%
Bill Dearden England 18 June 1999 6 January 2002 134 49 28 57 36.57%
Stuart Watkiss England January 2002 December 2002 45 16 5 24 35.56%
Keith Curle England 3 December 2002 11 November 2004 104 39 23 42 37.50%
Carlton Palmer England November 2004 September 2005 41 10 15 16 24.39%
Peter Shirtliff England September 2005 December 2006 72 24 19 29 33.33%
Paul Holland England 19 December 2006 28 December 2006 3 2 1 0 66.67%
Bill Dearden England 28 December 2006 8 March 2008 63 18 13 32 28.57%
Paul Holland England 8 March 2008 4 July 2008 12 3 6 3 25.00%
David Holdsworth England 29 December 2008 18 November 2010 91 37 20 34 40.66%
Duncan Russell England 19 November 2010 12 May 2011 36 14 9 13 38.89%
Paul Cox England 19 May 2011 21 November 2014 175 78 46 51 44.57%
Adam Murray England 21 November 2014 14 November 2016 103 32 27 44 31.07%
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Your quote only shows Palmer in charge for 38 games when he was in fact in charge for 41. From Colchester on 13/11/04 until Rochdale on 17/09/05. I have just checked on the archived reports.

I suspect the three games missing are the three cup games which he was in charge for, none of which he won, and only show his league record.

His total record makes him the worst manager we have ever had.
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Martin Shaw » Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:49 pm

This is the full list of manager records

http://stagsnet.net/vintage/reports/manager_records.htm

Palmer is 7th bottom. (league games, minimum 10 games etc etc, updated after Murray left)

It's correct.
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Big yella » Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:26 pm

Martin Shaw wrote:This is the full list of manager records

http://stagsnet.net/vintage/reports/manager_records.htm

Palmer is 7th bottom. (league games, minimum 10 games etc etc, updated after Murray left)

It's correct.

I'm sorry Martin but your account is not his full record. As I said you have only counted league games. Taking into account his whole record including cup games his win percentage drops to 24.39% and makes him the worst manager in our history. Stagsnets own archived reports show him in charge for 41 games in total. Or are we saying that cup games don't count as part of a manager's record? Do we not count winning at Wembley as part of the club's history?
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Martin Shaw » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:35 pm

Big yella wrote:
Martin Shaw wrote:This is the full list of manager records

http://stagsnet.net/vintage/reports/manager_records.htm

Palmer is 7th bottom. (league games, minimum 10 games etc etc, updated after Murray left)

It's correct.

I'm sorry Martin but your account is not his full record. As I said you have only counted league games. Taking into account his whole record including cup games his win percentage drops to 24.39% and makes him the worst manager in our history. Stagsnets own archived reports show him in charge for 41 games in total. Or are we saying that cup games don't count as part of a manager's record? Do we not count winning at Wembley as part of the club's history?

The account is the full league record for all managers, I couldn't really be clearer about that in the presentation of the results. It's pretty standard to quote league records as we have done there.

If you want to include cup games too, then I delved into Paul's files. Charles Bell was lowest on league matches only, and if you include cup games then Paul's files show Charles Bell league and cup:
Pl 33 W 8 D 7 L 18 %won 24.24
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby DoomMerchant » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:43 pm

No amount of stats are required to prove that Carlton Palmer is a belter.
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Tippy Tappy Football » Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:13 pm

Martin and Paul's article also says:

"If the list was based on average points per game, it would read:

1. Charlie Bell
2. Sam Weaver
3. Carlton Palmer
4. Stuart Boam
5. Billy Bingham
6. Stuart Watkiss
7. George Foster
8. Roy Goodall
9. Jack Poole
10. Mick Jones
11. Jock Basford
12. Andy King

That list seems about right to me. The three worst league managers I have seen were Coco The Clown, Stuart Boam and Billy Bingham.
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Big yella » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:00 pm

Martin Shaw wrote:
Big yella wrote:
Martin Shaw wrote:This is the full list of manager records

http://stagsnet.net/vintage/reports/manager_records.htm

Palmer is 7th bottom. (league games, minimum 10 games etc etc, updated after Murray left)

It's correct.

I'm sorry Martin but your account is not his full record. As I said you have only counted league games. Taking into account his whole record including cup games his win percentage drops to 24.39% and makes him the worst manager in our history. Stagsnets own archived reports show him in charge for 41 games in total. Or are we saying that cup games don't count as part of a manager's record? Do we not count winning at Wembley as part of the club's history?

The account is the full league record for all managers, I couldn't really be clearer about that in the presentation of the results. It's pretty standard to quote league records as we have done there.

If you want to include cup games too, then I delved into Paul's files. Charles Bell was lowest on league matches only, and if you include cup games then Paul's files show Charles Bell league and cup:
Pl 33 W 8 D 7 L 18 %won 24.24

The league only record shows him in charge for 28 games winning 7, the league and cup record show's him in charge for 33 games winning 8. I would have to question how Bell was in charge for 5 cup games between 16th March and 21st December yet only won one. We were already out of the FA Cup in March and lost in the first round to Hartlepool in November.
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Martin Shaw » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:25 pm

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Re: Boston Utd

Postby part time pete » Sun Jul 30, 2017 11:55 pm

Thought the associated members cup didn't start until 1983.

Charles Bell was manager in 1935.
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby The One » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:09 am

we had Fergus Bell, Amari Bell, Matt Bell. Charlie Bell 81-83

In fact a load of Bells :D
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Big yella » Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:10 am

Notts Senior Cup, really, ok.
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby chip63 » Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:10 am

Money given money spent should be a factor.
On that factor Billy Bingham is my choice of best manager.
. . .? If Murray or cox would of been given this budget do you think they would of got us promotion

We haven't got it yet.

Sustainable is my worry
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Sneag » Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:41 am

chip63 wrote:Money given money spent should be a factor.
On that factor Billy Bingham is my choice of best manager.
. . .? If Murray or cox would of been given this budget do you think they would of got us promotion

We haven't got it yet.

Sustainable is my worry
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Billy Bingham???

Peter Morris should not have been backed not sacked IMO. Bingham just took a bad situation & made it worse.

Dave Smith was easily the best manager in my lifetime as a Stags fan.
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby geoffhill » Mon Jul 31, 2017 6:39 am

Dave Smith best manager for me.Palmer and Bingham the worst in my years of supporting the Stags.I was surprised at Ian Greaves poor record he was probably the worst manager to have a stand named after him.
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby robeyre » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:01 am

Dave Smith best for me too. What a team,
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby EdwinstoweStag » Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:23 am

Even if Palmer had a 100% record, he was, in my opinion, the biggest pile of dog droppings.
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:34 am

part time pete wrote:Thought the associated members cup didn't start until 1983.

Charles Bell was manager in 1935.

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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Martin Shaw » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:35 am

Big yella wrote:Notts Senior Cup, really, ok.

That's the third insinuation you've made that Paul and I are massaging the figures.

We have no agenda.

As historians, Paul and I decide how we'll present the results, then present them.

ok so leave out the Notts Senior cup then, well then the win ratio for Charles Bell would be 7/31 which is 22.6%
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Marky Mark » Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:44 am

Thank Christ there wasn't Stagsnet back then, you'd have been able to see the fury from the moon after a 7-0 defeat at Walsall quickly followed by a 7-5 defeat at York and 6-1 at Stockport. Yorkie would have worn the T, I, C, K and O keys on his keyboard out.
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Re: Boston Utd

Postby Rob » Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:21 am

Stats often don't tell the whole story, most who managed under Haslam had a competitive disadvantage. Palmer was outstandingly useless though. Also, as I have said many times, non-league and league records should be separate. It is called non-league for a reason, it isn't the league :D
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