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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby arsene wengers coat » Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:05 pm

Alwaysa5tag wrote:
tibby wrote:Said before that he will not cut it at this level long term

Don't think he could ever get the level of Whiteman, and they are the same age. If we are looking upwards, we should be looking for better players than Jack. You cant have potential forever.

Hope he carves himself a good career, but may end up semi-pro.


Obvs u don't rate and that's ur opinion but unsure why we keep comparing him to Ben Whiteman??? We have absolute no chance of signing this kid and he is being primed and groomed for what looks like championship football next season with Sheff Utd... Yes he is far better than JT as it stands.....players do develop at different rates so who knows long term and i think even SE has eluded that JT was hugely let down by the previous regime....SE in the long term could be the best thing for Jack and its pretty obvious from the managers comments that he is highly thought of but only time will tell i suppose


The previous regime let a lot of people down.
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby tibby » Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:11 pm

I honestly hope he does prove me wrong, and I will be the first to eat humble pie

Just cant see him progressing to the level of player Evans could go and get in
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby adamstag » Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:14 pm

tibby wrote:I honestly hope he does prove me wrong, and I will be the first to eat humble pie

Just cant see him progressing to the level of player Evans could go and get in


Me either :(

However, I hope he does. I'm also pleased that we've now a level of midfielder at the club where the bench has been significantly increased.
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby arsene wengers coat » Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:33 pm

adamstag wrote:
tibby wrote:I honestly hope he does prove me wrong, and I will be the first to eat humble pie

Just cant see him progressing to the level of player Evans could go and get in


Me either :(

However, I hope he does. I'm also pleased that we've now a level of midfielder at the club where the bench has been significantly increased.


As it stands I don't think he is good enough for our bench. Which is a sad state of affairs for him personally but great for the club. We're strong atm. No passengers. Be interesting to see how he does under paul cox. Good old Coxy might do us a favour yet still.
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby Alwaysa5tag » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:07 pm

arsene wengers coat wrote:
adamstag wrote:
tibby wrote:I honestly hope he does prove me wrong, and I will be the first to eat humble pie

Just cant see him progressing to the level of player Evans could go and get in


Me either :(

However, I hope he does. I'm also pleased that we've now a level of midfielder at the club where the bench has been significantly increased.


As it stands I don't think he is good enough for our bench. Which is a sad state of affairs for him personally but great for the club. We're strong atm. No passengers. Be interesting to see how he does under paul cox. Good old Coxy might do us a favour yet still.


Not entirely sure about that....I still would rather have JT on the bench instead of Jamie McGuire....although admittedly he will prob lose his place on the bench once Howkins and Taft are fit....
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby EdwinstoweStag » Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:15 pm

Alwaysa5tag wrote:
arsene wengers coat wrote:
adamstag wrote:
tibby wrote:I honestly hope he does prove me wrong, and I will be the first to eat humble pie

Just cant see him progressing to the level of player Evans could go and get in


Me either :(

However, I hope he does. I'm also pleased that we've now a level of midfielder at the club where the bench has been significantly increased.


As it stands I don't think he is good enough for our bench. Which is a sad state of affairs for him personally but great for the club. We're strong atm. No passengers. Be interesting to see how he does under paul cox. Good old Coxy might do us a favour yet still.


Not entirely sure about that....I still would rather have JT on the bench instead of Jamie McGuire....although admittedly he will prob lose his place on the bench once Howkins and Taft are fit....

Surely, the solution is obvious. Get a bigger bench.
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby oldweststander » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:45 am

As always Edders, you see the obvious answer.

Pass the hat for a new longer bench.
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby Wh_Stag » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:08 pm

who was the ginger lad shrewsbury had? He got player of the year and a move to the championship and when we played them jack was head and shoulders above him, he ran rings round him and looked a far better player...

He's got it in him and i think since we first saw him he's bulked up and got stronger and he will come back from his loan a good player.

People seem to expect him to be good enough to sell straight to the championship, id realistically expect him to be a player for league two who can help us while were in this league and if we go up his performances will merit if he's good enough to come with us, but for now good luck to him at barrow and we should all hope he comes back firing and ready to go for next season.
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby Amberheart » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:06 pm

Wh_Stag wrote:who was the ginger lad shrewsbury had? He got player of the year and a move to the championship and when we played them jack was head and shoulders above him, he ran rings round him and looked a far better player...

He's got it in him and i think since we first saw him he's bulked up and got stronger and he will come back from his loan a good player.

People seem to expect him to be good enough to sell straight to the championship, id realistically expect him to be a player for league two who can help us while were in this league and if we go up his performances will merit if he's good enough to come with us, but for now good luck to him at barrow and we should all hope he comes back firing and ready to go for next season.

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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby Martin Shaw » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:42 pm

Ryan Woods, wh

But Jack was fantastic that day, and indeed that spells of games. Unfortunately he hasn't found that form since. I still believe he can get back to that.
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby berryhill stag » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:47 pm

JT this season does not seem to be on the button. When he comes on there is effort but he seems to struggle to catch up with the speed of the game. JT goes silent when on the pitch and looks lacking in confidence. He doesn't become a bad player overnight,arm around the shoulder job one thinks.A move away will help everyone. Paul Cox may be the answer
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby mansfield_smooth » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:17 pm

It's harsh comparing JT to whiteman, Ben started off at man united if I'm correct? He had probably the best football upbringing you could wish for as a young footballer!

I hope JT can get back to the form we know he can achieve
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby tibby » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:27 pm

Nah. Don't buy into that

Liam, Dis, Leroy etc have all gone on to do a damn site more than most Man Utd youngsters ever will
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby Ben Superstag » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:02 pm

tibby wrote:Nah. Don't buy into that

Liam, Dis, Leroy etc have all gone on to do a damn site more than most Man Utd youngsters ever will


Tibby, those examples you just gave buck the trend when it comes to developing youngsters out of Mansfield. To compare Jack's upbringing to Ben's when it isn't even on the same planet is harsh.

If I recall, Steve Hymas hadn't long been reassosciated with the club when Jack rose to prominence. The reason that is important is because SH has developed the academy here into something that is leaps and bounds ahead of the former set up, Jack will have had tougher circumstances to deal with and is probably the first player that we have had go on to have a senior career since Tom Naylor.
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby tibby » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:13 pm

What about Lee Gregory, Nathan Arnold, Baptiste, Buxton?

Or am I missing the point?

If your good enough, you are good enough and will shine through whatever the surroundings. Omar Bogle started at Hinckley, I cant imagine them having a better set-up than ours, even at our worst.

If he wasn't from Sutton, people would be happy he's gone and wouldn't want him back.
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby MutinyOnTheCounty » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:35 pm

tibby wrote:Nah. Don't buy into that

Liam, Dis, Leroy etc have all gone on to do a damn site more than most Man Utd youngsters ever will



Surely you're not picking perhaps the best 3 of a 'once in a lifetime era' and suggesting everyone else should be the same standard?
SE needs to keep looking over his shoulder! :P

Tbh, plenty of our 'bang average' youth teamers stepped up and made a decent living at a higher level after they left, so i would rule JT out yet. Confidence and a progressive training regime would do wonders for him, imo
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby Ben Superstag » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:41 pm

tibby wrote:What about Lee Gregory, Nathan Arnold, Baptiste, Buxton?

Or am I missing the point?

If your good enough, you are good enough and will shine through whatever the surroundings. Omar Bogle started at Hinckley, I cant imagine them having a better set-up than ours, even at our worst.

If he wasn't from Sutton, people would be happy he's gone and wouldn't want him back.


I think you are missing the point entirely and Lee Gregory didn't come through our youth team. You have named probably the only players that have come through Stags and made a decent career for themselves in the last 20 years.

The point was, you can't compare Ben Whiteman's upbringing to Jack Thomas. Manchester United have produced hundreds of football players that play throughout the English pyramid and the rest of the world.

I wasn't comparing the ability, as Ben is clearly superior, but he's had a better football education....and round and round in circles we go.
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby tibby » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:53 pm

Simple question then

As it stands, would you like Jack Thomas back in the squad next season?

Taking into consideration what standard of player Steve Evans could bring in as a replacement
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby EdwinstoweStag » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:57 pm

tibby wrote:Simple question then

As it stands, would you like Jack Thomas back in the squad next season?

Taking into consideration what standard of player Steve Evans could bring in as a replacement


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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby Ben Superstag » Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:00 pm

tibby wrote:Simple question then

As it stands, would you like Jack Thomas back in the squad next season?

Taking into consideration what standard of player Steve Evans could bring in as a replacement


The simple answer is, yes, if he is good enough. If he doesn't meet the standard, then no.
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby Alwaysa5tag » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:09 pm

On another point....i think we should applaud JT for willing to commute to barrow to get 1st team football...I'm led to believe that they train in Manchester...so that's a 3hr round trip everyday and then a hell of a trek to barrow for home games and even further for some away games....fair play....he could have taken the easy option like the "other 2" that SE mentioned that turned down opportunities to move....assume they were Hemmings and Hoban...

FYI tibby i know for a fact that SE rates JT so i personally value his opinion a little more than yours and I'm pretty sure he knows a smidgen more about football than yourself
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby Spiritater » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:20 pm

I reckon Coxy'll transport the lad himself.
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby Captain Cunno » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:24 pm

They now train in Manchester. Something Cox has introduced.
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby tibby » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:29 pm

Like he rated Mitch Rose, Clements when he came in?

He isn't going to say any different is he?

Your right though. I too trust Steve Evans opinion, hence why JT is nowhere near the first team
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Re: Jack Thomas to Barrow

Postby Alwaysa5tag » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:59 pm

tibby wrote:Like he rated Mitch Rose, Clements when he came in?

He isn't going to say any different is he?

Your right though. I too trust Steve Evans opinion, hence why JT is nowhere near the first team


I'm pretty sure that SE would say different if he thought different...he hardly comes across as someone who says things for the sake of it.....he shows great respect towards players but ultimately always honest...
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