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Diving is cheating.

Postby eggy » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:00 pm

Someone should have a word with Colin Daniel. I don't care if he's a Mansfield player, it's unacceptable.
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby one f in mansfield » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:05 pm

correct . it is not simulation , inviting a tackle or any other fancy new description . it is cheating .
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby Big yella » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:14 pm

Maybe that's why Clucas 'honestly' just passed the penalty back to the keeper.
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby Chacawab » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:30 pm

Did the keeper get the ball??? NO! Penalty!
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby markstag » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:34 pm

Chacawab wrote:Did the keeper get the ball??? NO! Penalty!

Did the keeper get the player??? No
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby oldweststander » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:36 pm

I wasn't sat in the North Stand but from the West Stand Upper it looked a pen.
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby AdamAborigine » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:38 pm

In all fairness, I thought Kevin Ellison's dive after his tiff with Riley was atrocious - much worse.
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby Martin Shaw » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:50 pm

looked a penalty to me in real time and from the DVD
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby matlockstag » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:51 pm

Teams do it against us, why not do it back? Cheating seems to be the only way to win in football these days.
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby Jamie » Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:56 pm

Looked like a dive to me from the qle, there may have been a bit of contact but he was always looking to go down imo.

Good save from the keeper. Constantly pointing and gesturing to clucas to go right, then gets down and out to the post. Wasn't a bad penno really.
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby markstag » Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:00 pm

eggy wrote:Someone should have a word with Colin Daniel. I don't care if he's a Mansfield player, it's unacceptable.

Ban him. He is useless Anyway
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby matlockstag » Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:01 pm

Was a good penalty and good save, sure the game would of turned around if that went in. Oh well..
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby Spiritater » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:57 pm

matlockstag wrote:Was a good penalty and good save, sure the game would of turned around if that went in. Oh well..

It's those sort of incidents that'll come back to haunt us come next April. How many pens did we miss the year we went down last time?
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby Big yella » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:13 pm

matlockstag wrote:Was a good penalty and good save, sure the game would of turned around if that went in. Oh well..


It was an awful penalty, to close to the keeper and nowhere near hard enough.
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby RickyJ » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:27 pm

Big yella wrote:
matlockstag wrote:Was a good penalty and good save, sure the game would of turned around if that went in. Oh well..


It was an awful penalty, to close to the keeper and nowhere near hard enough.

I've seen softer penalties being scored - would it still be an awful penalty if the keeper dived the other way?
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby Ben Superstag » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:40 pm

I was directly in line with the incident sitting in the QLE and I can tell you now, it was definitely a penalty. Roche took Daniels legs from under him, Daniel had already poked the ball past. His only useful contribution of the game.
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby Big yella » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:41 pm

RickyJ wrote:
Big yella wrote:
matlockstag wrote:Was a good penalty and good save, sure the game would of turned around if that went in. Oh well..


It was an awful penalty, to close to the keeper and nowhere near hard enough.

I've seen softer penalties being scored - would it still be an awful penalty if the keeper dived the other way?


Yes it would. The only difference is, it would have been awful and lucky.
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby tillydog123 » Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:44 pm

Get away with it if u can as its a feature of a lot of games now.
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby Norman » Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:04 pm

markstag wrote:
eggy wrote:Someone should have a word with Colin Daniel. I don't care if he's a Mansfield player, it's unacceptable.

Ban him. He is useless Anyway


Totally agree Daniels is utter garbage and he's one of the reasons were in this mess.
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby bellwhiff » Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:59 pm

Norman wrote:
markstag wrote:
eggy wrote:Someone should have a word with Colin Daniel. I don't care if he's a Mansfield player, it's unacceptable.

Ban him. He is useless Anyway


Totally agree Daniels is utter garbage and he's one of the reasons were in this mess.



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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby Clockworktarzan » Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:56 pm

I can't understand how people say it was a good penalty.
A good penalty is not hit at average pace, at a height and distance to the side of the goalkeeper, where if he dives, he has a 50/50 chance of picking the right side and making a save.
The very least that should be done in this situation IMO is to belt the ball hard so the keeper has less time to react and hit it to one side toward the top of the goal.
We employ professional players who (should they be nominated as a penalty taker), should practice penalty taking at each training session until they have honed their skills and consistently place the ball into these .... hard to defend areas!
If a penalty is struck on target, high.....to one side and hard.........how often do you see a save??
Again IMO there is very little excuse for a professional footballer taking a penalty at any level for not hitting the ball hard and out of reach.
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby Jamie » Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:07 pm

It was going just inside the post, a decent effort but good save...
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby Clockworktarzan » Sun Dec 01, 2013 3:32 pm

Just sat and watched it 4 times.
The penalty was tamely struck low and at point of save was 2 and a half to 3 foot from the left post.
If a keeper guesses right and makes a low dive, he should be expected to get his hand to that
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby eggy » Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:21 pm

Martin Shaw wrote:looked a penalty to me in real time and from the DVD


For me the highlights confirm my initial reaction (from behind the goal) that the keeper pulled his hands away but Daniel still went down.
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Re: Diving is cheating.

Postby Ben Superstag » Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:41 pm

eggy wrote:
Martin Shaw wrote:looked a penalty to me in real time and from the DVD


For me the highlights confirm my initial reaction (from behind the goal) that the keeper pulled his hands away but Daniel still went down.


You're wrong, he definitely caught him. 100%.
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